Those artists listed aren't that popular, that's why. They are real artists. Pop musicians contribute nothing but their voice (and mostly autotuned) so they have no say over anything. I think the trend will stay around forever because the majority of people don't sit down and just listen to music, they do things like drive, exercise, mow the lawn, or other loud stuff that would make music with a nice dynamic range very unpleasing to listen to for them. I wish it would end. Peaking every single sound makes music sound like crap and that a 2 year old mastered it.
They are popular as fairly mainstream rock acts, and while I hate manufactured pop music as much as the next person, your comparison is not very convincing—we all know that there are plenty of horribly mastered rock recordings out there (whether by otherwise good bands or not).
Anyone agree that Loudness War seem to be slow down after the buzz of Death Magnetic around the world? Especially for this year released in rock and heavy metal.The list for good sound quality record this year is:Nightmare - Avenged SevenfoldSlash - SlashThe Final Frontier - Iron MaidenAsylum - DisturbedBlack Swans and The Wormhole Wizards - Joe SatrianiA Thousand Sund - FeverFever - Bullet for My ValentineAccept new albumand i know there are many more.
> I don't get why it's referred to as a war...the majority of people don't care about quality, and are not complaining.
By the way. Is there a(n at least somewhat) practical way to undo the damage to some extent? I guess it would the very least require to separate the instruments sound (and vocals) and change their loudness separately.
By the way. Is there a(n at least somewhat) practical way to undo the damage to some extent?
I guess it would the very least require to separate the instruments sound (and vocals) and change their loudness separately.
Not really. You can fix the clipping noise but what's lost is lost.
No. As xnor said, the information is lost. i.e. If you have a signal with a 0dB peak (or clipped at 0dB) there is simply no way to know if the original peak was +3dB or +12dB, etc.. You can apply some "upward expansion" and there is clip-repair software, but there's no way to restore the original lost information. (Of course, you have to reduce the overall level after restoring/boosting peaks, or it will clip again...)Expansion is the opposite of compression. In theory, you can undo compression if the compression ratio is not infinite (the ratio is infinite with limiting), and you if know the compression ratio, threshold, curve, and attack/decay timing (and possibly the multi-band compression parameters). But in the real world, all of these settings are up to the mastering engineer's discretion and this information is never known (and hard-limiting is frequently used). No. Most of the damage is done to the mixed-down stereo signal during mastering (after mixing). If you actually had access to the separate unmixed tracks, you'd be in good shape.In any case, you can't un-fry-an egg, un-bake a cake, and you can't un-mix a song.
I heard a couple of times about hard-limiting. What does that actually mean? What is soft limiting?
Hard limiting ("clipping") is a limiting action in which there is(a) over the permitted dynamic range, negligible variation in the expected characteristic of the output signal, and (b) a steady-state signal, at the maximum permitted level, for the duration of each period when the output would otherwise be required to exceed the permitted dynamic range in order to correspond to the transfer function of the device.Soft limiting is limiting in which the transfer function of a device is a function of its instantaneous or integrated output level. The output waveform is therefore distorted, but not clipped.
Compression and limiting are not different in process but in degree and perceived effect. A limiter is a compressor with a high ratio and, generally, a fast attack time. Most engineers consider compression with ratio of 10:1 or more as limiting. Engineers sometimes refer to soft and hard limiting which are differences of degree. The "harder" a limiter, the higher its ratio and the faster its attack and release times.Brick wall limiting has a very high ratio and a very fast attack time.
then you are not wanted here.
Excellent, just delete my registration, I could not find out how to do it.
As an aside - I guess this will be moved to the outer fringes, therefore I post it separately - I find it disturbing that the demand for quality in music, which for me includes innovativeness, craftsmanship, technique, presentation, variety, playfulness, engagement, production etc. etc. can be decried as "elitism", a perfectly good word but in America there seems to be a trend to the lowest denominator, not necessarily the common lowest one.And this on a forum were some care is taken to develop and discuss the real quality of audio reproduction. Why is the quality of the music being reproduced exempt? Why not be consequent and label someone elitist because he only listens to music in loss-less formats?Noise, which to me seems heavy metals most common feature (I have tried, but I can not find any incentive to continue listening) has its role in Rock and Roll, or just Rock. I grew after all listening live to Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Traffic, Tony Williams etc. beside my ventures into various jazz cellars, where noise was part of the music, but not at the cost of overall quality. Also repetitiveness has its role, see the North Mississippi Hill country blues, but heavy metal seems to only that: noise and repetitiveness.I have to assume from the position that the mods take here that my stay and participation in this forum will be of rather short duration. Another one on the checklist of intolerant and whiny forums.Apparently not only are personal attacks not allowed (which I agree on) but just labeling music at what you perceive it to be is a no-no - what the fuck am I doing here???
Apparently not only are personal attacks not allowed (which I agree on) but just labeling music at what you perceive it to be is a no-no
By the way what do you guys recommend against clipping noise.