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Electret Microphones don't work with soundboards.

I bought a Logitech Extreme 3.5mm Supra-aural PC Gaming Headset.  I later picked up a Behringer EURORACK UB1204-PRO for $90 new.  Having already been using my headset, I plugged it into my new mixer, and to my surprise, I could not get any sound out of the microphone.

After a bit of research today, I found out that computers don't use dynamic microphones.  They use electret microphones.  I didn't even know these things existed.  I only knew about dynamic and condenser microphones.  So now I have a headset that I can't even use with my soundboard. 

Here are two pages I found to be very informative:
http://www.hobby-hour.com/electronics/comp..._microphone.php
http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/microphone_powering.html <- this one has schematics for using 48V phantom power with electret mics
Wikipedia only has a short summary of electret microphones (surprising, they usually have a lot more information)

I have been unable to find any adapters being sold to go from 48V XLR (male) to 5V 1/4" (or 3.5mm) TRS (female).  Does anybody know of anywhere to get such a thing (or am I stuck building my own)?  Or external power supplies?

My current solution is to just plug my soundboard into my main soundcard's input, and plug the mic into a different sound card, then send that card's output back to the soundboard.  Although annoying, this isn't the worst thing, since I can't live without having two soundcards anymore anyways.


On to soundcards.

I am currently using a Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 Channel card.  To put it simply, it fails to properly output 5 channel sound (5.1 is fine) and instead downmixes to stereo or up-mixes it to every other channel.  I had to go back to my cheap USB 5.1 sound card just to be able to listen to voice chat with the L/R channels and music on the center/SL/SR channels.  My onboard sound has similar up-mix-what-I-don't-want-it-to problems.  The Audigy's -10dBV output is fine, but it doesn't support +4dBu input (got past that by using the control room output lowered, I have the levels matched to -14dB[digital] to 0dB[analog]).  Unfortuately the mixer I have doesn't have a switch to change it to -10dBV.

I've just lost patience with overpriced, featureless (or just has useless features) junk.  I would really like configurable up-mixing, perhaps similar to the matrix mixer found in ffdshow.  Even though I'm a gamer, EAX doesn't impress me, so it isn't a mandatory feature.

One possibility looks like the M-AUDIO Delta 1010LT 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface 10-In-10-Out PCI Virtual Studio, but I'm not sure if it will allow me to upmix from stereo to 7.1 IF I want to.



Please share your experiences/suggestions.

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If anybody remembers me, I've been off working and playing too many video games.  So I haven't been active. 
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Electret Microphones don't work with soundboards.

Reply #1
I bought a Logitech Extreme 3.5mm Supra-aural PC Gaming Headset.  I later picked up a Behringer EURORACK UB1204-PRO for $90 new.  Having already been using my headset, I plugged it into my new mixer, and to my surprise, I could not get any sound out of the microphone.

After a bit of research today, I found out that computers don't use dynamic microphones.  They use electret microphones.  I didn't even know these things existed.  I only knew about dynamic and condenser microphones.  So now I have a headset that I can't even use with my soundboard. 

Here are two pages I found to be very informative:
http://www.hobby-hour.com/electronics/comp..._microphone.php
http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/microphone_powering.html <- this one has schematics for using 48V phantom power with electret mics
Wikipedia only has a short summary of electret microphones (surprising, they usually have a lot more information)

I have been unable to find any adapters being sold to go from 48V XLR (male) to 5V 1/4" (or 3.5mm) TRS (female).  Does anybody know of anywhere to get such a thing


I don't know if they still make it, but Shure had an XLR  interface for their own electret mics for the longest time. I have one and it works with their electret mics. I think it might work with a computer-style electret if you solve the connector interfacing problem. Shure uses a miniature multipin connector.

Other than that, you're on your own with your soldering iron.

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(or am I stuck building my own)?  Or external power supplies?


48 v phantom power is too good to throw away.


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My current solution is to just plug my soundboard into my main soundcard's input, and plug the mic into a different sound card, then send that card's output back to the soundboard.  Although annoying, this isn't the worst thing, since I can't live without having two soundcards anymore anyways.


You could get a good pro mic...

It's only money! ;-)


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I am currently using a Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 Channel card.  To put it simply, it fails to properly output 5 channel sound (5.1 is fine) and instead downmixes to stereo or up-mixes it to every other channel.  I had to go back to my cheap USB 5.1 sound card just to be able to listen to voice chat with the L/R channels and music on the center/SL/SR channels.  My onboard sound has similar up-mix-what-I-don't-want-it-to problems.  The Audigy's -10dBV output is fine, but it doesn't support +4dBu input (got past that by using the control room output lowered, I have the levels matched to -14dB[digital] to 0dB[analog]).  Unfortuately the mixer I have doesn't have a switch to change it to -10dBV.


So much for packaged consumer solutions... ;-)

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I've just lost patience with overpriced, featureless (or just has useless features) junk.  I would really like configurable up-mixing, perhaps similar to the matrix mixer found in ffdshow.  Even though I'm a gamer, EAX doesn't impress me, so it isn't a mandatory feature.

One possibility looks like the M-AUDIO Delta 1010LT 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface 10-In-10-Out PCI Virtual Studio, but I'm not sure if it will allow me to upmix from stereo to 7.1 IF I want to.


I have a couple of 101LTs, and they are what they are. They are desgned for use with audio production grade multitrack editing software, and rely on it to do whatevery mixing you desire.





Electret Microphones don't work with soundboards.

Reply #2
I think you really should not try to mix consumer/prosumer grade hardware with professional hardware.

Also, forget about asking professional hardware to have consumer grade features.

Electret Microphones don't work with soundboards.

Reply #3
So much for packaged consumer solutions... ;-)
I know, it's annoying. 
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I have a couple of 101LTs, and they are what they are. They are desgned for use with audio production grade multitrack editing software, and rely on it to do whatevery mixing you desire.
Do you know if it would meet my watching-a-movie-surround-sound needs?


I think you really should not try to mix consumer/prosumer grade hardware with professional hardware.

Also, forget about asking professional hardware to have consumer grade features.
  I know  but that doesn't mean I won't do it anyways! 
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