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Reply #25
Ironically, the RG Album Gain is -9.39db, even for the 24/96 release. That said, 1,000,000 sounds much more dynamic than its -10.81db track RG would suggest.

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Reply #26
Hell, why can't they just create public torrents at the Pirate Bay?!?

Sooner or later this will happen assuming it's still not the case. The Ghosts I-IV FLACs are definitely there to find.

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Reply #27
PS: I can't download this at all. I'm stuck at the "download token" page, it simply won't show me any download links. Hell, why can't they just create public torrents at the Pirate Bay?!?

I'm not sure if you're at this page or not, but after submitting a token, you'll come to a page that lists the various formats.
Nope, I don't get that far. Submitting the token does nothing, it will only reload the "download token" page. Same problem with IE7, FF3 and Opera 9.50.

They didn't submit this stuff to TBP because they're now running their own tracker (tracker.nin.com, I think), and I suppose that's for tracking purposes.
Yeah, I found a link to a torrent on that NIN tracker via Google! Although it has some kind of user hash, it works nevertheless. So much for tracking the download amount of individual users. (Or whatever the purpose of this ultra-secure registration process and one-hour-lasting download links is about)


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Reply #29
Uhm... this is the 24bit version, second track:

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    Left    Right
Min Sample Value:    -32397    -32397
Max Sample Value:    32396    32396
Peak Amplitude:    -.1 dB    -.1 dB
Possibly Clipped:    0    0
DC Offset:    .024     -.01
Minimum RMS Power:    -75.81 dB    -80.01 dB
Maximum RMS Power:    -4.1 dB    -3.67 dB
Average RMS Power:    -10.04 dB    -10.05 dB
Total RMS Power:    -9.45 dB    -9.37 dB
Actual Bit Depth:    16 Bits    16 Bits

Using RMS Window of 50 ms


...padded with 0s...

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Reply #30
FLAC -5 gives an average bitrate of 1822kbps. Is that consistent with 16/96 (padded)?

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Reply #31
FLAC -5 gives an average bitrate of 1822kbps. Is that consistent with 16/96 (padded)?


I just tried on track 5:
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-rw-r--r--   48096110 2008-05-05 23:48 05-2496-16.flac
-rw-r--r--  109307656 2008-05-05 23:48 05-2496-16.wav
-rw-r--r--   48400191 2008-05-05 21:06 05-2496.flac
-rw-r--r--  163974520 2008-05-05 21:06 05-2496.wav

the "-16" version is just truncated to 16 bits (no dithering) and compresses roughly to the same size. Within the sections I checked via hexdump you can see that every third byte is a zero byte. So, it looks like its mostly only 16 effective bits -- at least for track 5.

Other than that the spectrum shows some sounds above 24 kHz which are likely to be aliasing -- maybe due to bad resampling within one of the tools he used (ie sampler).

I'd say the 24/96 version is a waste of bandwidth assuming this applies to all tracks.
I like the album, though. Gonna keep the 44kHz 16bit FLAC versions... 

Cheers,
SG

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Reply #32
I'd say the 24/96 version is a waste of bandwidth assuming this applies to all tracks.
I like the album, though. Gonna keep the 44kHz 16bit FLAC versions... 


Also if you compare waveforms of track 9 the 96/24 version appears to be more compressed has more clipping.  I think I'll stick to the flac version too.

Teemu
Teemu

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Reply #33
That explains why the 24/96 .wav versions get such massive compression in FLAC (0.200-0.500 ratios) - there's little additional data in them to begin with.

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Reply #34
so there is a little bit extra frequency to the 24/96? is there any quality difference otherwise?

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Reply #35
The only track that has finished download therefore I copied on my pendrive is 999,999.
I had a deep look at it in hex, and it seems that every 3rd byte is 0x00, therefore it's padded to 24 bit. There goes my 24/96 test material

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Reply #36
The only track that has finished download therefore I copied on my pendrive is 999,999.
I had a deep look at it in hex, and it seems that every 3rd byte is 0x00, therefore it's padded to 24 bit. There goes my 24/96 test material


Does this mean the 24-bit output is undithered? I wonder if we got the raw undithered output in 24-bit, which would be sorta nice. if it's being reencoded to lossy.

 

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Reply #37
Does this mean the 24-bit output is undithered? I wonder if we got the raw undithered output in 24-bit, which would be sorta nice. if it's being reencoded to lossy.


What I can see that it's essentially a 16-bit signal converted back to 24-bit. I don't know how they converted it to 16 bits, it was probably dithered, but then it's dithered 16-bit data with additional 8 bits of nothing
But I would have liked to try TAK compression on true 24-bit music
When I get home in the morning I'll have a look at the other, partially downloaded tracks...


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Reply #39
There are other boards and/or areas on this forum to discuss musical likes/dislikes.

I also thought this was interesting

high-quality MP3s (87 mb)
will play in any MP3 player. encoded with LAME at V0, fully tagged.


I only downloaded the FLAC files, so I assume that's LAME V0.  Better than Xing 128 kbs ;-)
flac>fb2k>kernel streaming>audiophile 2496>magni>dt990 pro

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Reply #40
I only downloaded the FLAC files, so I assume that's LAME V0.  Better than Xing 128 kbs ;-)


I am not quite sure what you are trying to say there but yeah, that is better than Xing 128kbps encodes.  It seems like Trent keep learning with every release.  Ghosts I-IV were encoded with FLAC, Apple Lossless, and Lame mp3 at 320kbps.  My guess is he did some searching around and found out that -V 0 would probably be better given that -V 0 is overkill for most people yet it takes up less space than 320kbps CBR encodes.

We will see what he does with the next Nine Inch Nails release in terms of formats/bitrates that he offers it in.  The funny thing is that I was in another set of forums and people were complaining about the -V 0 quality of Lame mp3.  Well, they were actually complaining about the mp3 format in general and all praised the 24/96 WAV release.  I asked for blind ABX tests and they all told me those tests didn't work.  So yeah, I now no longer visit those forums.

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Reply #41
wonder why there is a 16/44 flac but no 24/96 flac.  hope they're not using flake/winamp to encode.




Checked the properties and it says they used a program called Sound Grinder 3.2.4 to encode the flac files.


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Reply #43
I never would have seen this today if someone hadn't posted it here.  Thanks.

Anyone notice how there are a couple different versions of the WAV torrent?  The last two tracks are swapped on some.  I'll figure out which is which later.  I'm probably going to grab the FLAC for some of my friends.

It's interesting that they didn't use Sound Grinder last time with Ghosts I-IV.  They used Max 0.7.1.

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Reply #44
you can find the official torrent via nin.com

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Reply #45
They were both official torrents from the nin site.  (They used the nin tracker).

The first one I got off demonoid that was posted last morning.
The second one I got through the email message later in the day.

I think they realized the problem and started giving out the new torrent.  The old one still works on the tracker though.  Also, something else I noticed is that the second image in the WAVs is a PSD while the rest are JPEGs.

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Reply #46
Also, something else I noticed is that the second image in the WAVs is a PSD while the rest are JPEGs.
Yes, "Nine Inch Nails - The Slip - Wave 96-24 High Res\The Slip art\02-1000000.jpg" is 4.14MB, and is actually a PSD file, in the files I downloaded.
I'm on a horse.

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Reply #47
Does this mean that these highrez files are more likely 16/96 or 16/48?

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Reply #48
Maybe someone should warn Trent Reznor about this 24/96 issue?

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Reply #49
Does this mean that these highrez files are more likely 16/96 or 16/48?


With the exception of 07 Lights in the Sky.wav and 08 Corona Radiata.wav they're technically 16/96 files. These ones look true 24-bit ones though, and FLAC and TAK compresses them worse than the rest (they're over 2mbps). It seems that these lossless codecs can handle the rest quite well (though I thought that padded lower-resolution files are a very special case), e.g. TAK -p2m compressed the album to 561,537kiB from 1,491,127kiB.

 
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