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Corrupted Ogg files after tagging with Picard 0.9.0, are they retrieva
i have Ogg Vorbis files ripped by EAC 0.95b4, encoded with Vorbis BS; Lancer(SSE3) [20061110] (based on aoTuV b5 [20061024]) - 320 kbps, they were tagged before with MusicBrainz Picard 0.7.2 with no trouble, but now when i tagged them with the newer Picard 0.9.0 tags were applied successfully, but the files are no longer readable by any player, i thought it was something wrong with the tags so i tried to clear them, and then tried using UTF-8/UTF-16 and even ISO charset with no avail, the files are unplayable and recognized as 0:00 length in Adobe Audition 2.0, Foobar2000 0.8.3 and Winamp 5.5, while they crash anything else, WMP10, GSpot 2.70a, SnackAmp 3.1.2, oggsplit 1.0.1..etc..
tagging tools shows that OGGComment is written correctly (TagTuner 1.9.0, Picard 0.9.0 and OOOGGCommentDump are giving the correct tag info)...

so i got to some tools for verification and that lead to the following:
Vorbis Comment 1.1.1:
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vorbiscomment -l 01.ogg
Failed to open file as vorbis: Corrupt secondary header.


OggInfo 1.1.0:
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Ogginfo 01.ogg

Warning: Could not decode vorbis header packet - invalid vorbis stream (1)
Vorbis stream 1:
        Total data length: 0 bytes
        Playback length: 0m:00.000s
        Average bitrate: -1.#IND00 kb/s
Logical stream 1 ended
Warning: Hole in data found at approximate offset 2572787 bytes. Corrupted ogg.


Oggdec 1.9.3:
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oggdec -p 01.ogg


OggDec v1.9.3 (libVorbis 1.1.2) Compiled on: Oct 25 2

Input 01.ogg does not appear to be an Ogg bitstream.


********** Done decoding all input files. **********


OOOggdump.exe:
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C:\PROGRA~1\ILLIMI~1\OGGCOD~1>oooggdump.exe 01.ogg
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OOOGGValidate.exe:
Code: [Select]
ERROR 516:  Lost Sync






well, i posted a ticket in MusicBrainz Picard bugtracker, so the bug is going to be checked in the program, but now i'm interested in recovering my files
i can't re-rip the songs, the original CD was given to a friend as a souvenir when he left the country, i searched the HA forums back to 2004 and found nothing about repairing Vorbis files, at least, nothing that matches my case...

i've uploaded one track for the developers of Picard to examine, you can get it here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NWUSS7QD

i hope someone could tell if it's possible to recover the data, if it's only a corrupt header, then there might be a chance to edit it manually, but if it's corruption in the stream itself, then i wonder if there's any kind of protection in OGG at all!!? i used to think it does CRC32 checksums... or am not right?

any help, info, anything... is really appreciated, as now i'm making a copy of every folder before tagging...

thanx in advance

H.Q.

  • Aoyumi
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well, i posted a ticket in MusicBrainz Picard bugtracker, so the bug is going to be checked in the program, but now i'm interested in recovering my files
i can't re-rip the songs, the original CD was given to a friend as a souvenir when he left the country, i searched the HA forums back to 2004 and found nothing about repairing Vorbis files, at least, nothing that matches my case...

i've uploaded one track for the developers of Picard to examine, you can get it here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NWUSS7QD

i hope someone could tell if it's possible to recover the data, if it's only a corrupt header, then there might be a chance to edit it manually, but if it's corruption in the stream itself, then i wonder if there's any kind of protection in OGG at all!!? i used to think it does CRC32 checksums... or am not right?

any help, info, anything... is really appreciated, as now i'm making a copy of every folder before tagging...

As for this file, a header page is damaged or CRC check sum is not right.
The revision of the error is possible technically. However, I do not know software for the purpose.

  • HQ84
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Reply #2
As for this file, a header page is damaged or CRC check sum is not right.
The revision of the error is possible technically. However, I do not know software for the purpose.

well, thanx Aoyumi 
so does that mean that a header could be rewritten manually (i'll try to do it later tomorrow anyway), or can i reset the CRC (pretty imaginary, i guess  )... i tried to search for tools, nothing satisfactory till the moment...

i think i'll have to experiment with a hex editor, i have ConTEXT but it's pretty buggy, any clues for some good Hex editor?

PS: if you don't feel that this thread belong to the Tech subforum, please someone move it  ... i understood "Tech" as technical problems or so, as i haven't any similar clue to such problems in either General or Tech Vorbis subs... thanx anyway

  • Aoyumi
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As for this file, a header page is damaged or CRC check sum is not right.
The revision of the error is possible technically. However, I do not know software for the purpose.

well, thanx Aoyumi 
so does that mean that a header could be rewritten manually (i'll try to do it later tomorrow anyway), or can i reset the CRC (pretty imaginary, i guess  )... i tried to search for tools, nothing satisfactory till the moment...

i think i'll have to experiment with a hex editor, i have ConTEXT but it's pretty buggy, any clues for some good Hex editor?

For one safe method, it is to overwrite the header page that is not normal in a normal header page.

A procedure
(1)  You use "Lancer SSE3 20061110" and encode the suitable sound file of the 44.1kHz/2ch stereo in Quality9 (without padding).

(2)  You change the serial number of the file which you encoded to a serial number same as a damaged file (I use vserial).?

(3) You copy normal header pages on the header pages that failed. (I use hex editor Stirling. but it is not english menu).
  • Last Edit: 27 January, 2008, 10:23:40 AM by Aoyumi

  • paultaylor
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Hi,can you tell me where to find  OOOggdump.exe

  • HQ84
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Hi,can you tell me where to find  OOOggdump.exe

it comes as a part of the illiminable oggcodecs direct show filters... i have oggcodecs v.0.73.1936 which is a beta as i recall, you can download it from HERE:
http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/

  • HQ84
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For one safe method, it is to overwrite the header page that is not normal in a normal header page.

A procedure
(1)  You use "Lancer SSE3 20061110" and encode the suitable sound file of the 44.1kHz/2ch stereo in Quality9 (without padding).

(2)  You change the serial number of the file which you encoded to a serial number same as a damaged file (I use vserial).?

(3) You copy normal header pages on the header pages that failed. (I use hex editor Stirling. but it is not english menu).

well, i was overly busy for the past month, i couldn't even thank you for the reply

i didn't try those steps yet, and i have a few questions:
(1) what do you mean by "suitable" sound file? you mean the SAME ORIGINAL sound file from which i've made the rips? or simply any 44.1KHz/2ch wav that has the same track length in seconds, or even in samples? or is it just ANY PCM 44KHz stereo?

(2) question 2 cancelled ... i found vserial along with a bunch of more ogg tools

i'll keep you informed on whatever i come up with

thanx Aoyumi 

  • Aoyumi
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Reply #7
(1) what do you mean by "suitable" sound file? you mean the SAME ORIGINAL sound file from which i've made the rips? or simply any 44.1KHz/2ch wav that has the same track length in seconds, or even in samples? or is it just ANY PCM 44KHz stereo?

The condition is ...

1.  The same sampling frequency
2.  The same channels
3.  The same encoder
4.  The same quality setting
(5.  The same ogg serial number & page number)

If these are common, the headers are common.
  • Last Edit: 23 February, 2008, 09:08:19 AM by Aoyumi