I have, like, 250GB of lossless music on my HDD. It would take days if I were to recompress it all to OGG and keep both versions of the same music files (that would be another, what, 150-200GB ? ).
And I do hear the diferrence between lossless and not lossless. (well acctually OGG is extremally good at the higher settings, but the filesize is almost the same as flac/wavpack so I just prefer to keep the untouched file).
But I can absolutly hear the diferrence between MP3 at 320kbps and lossless file. Maybe not on all kinds of music, but the ones that I usually listen to have lots of details that are lost. Heck, I can even spot the diferrence between lossless 16-bit and lossless 24-bit file.
I do personally not believe that you are able to do this, so please proove me wrong by posting some ABX tests here...
And again, the 24bit vs 16bit - the difference is there, you just have to know what to look for - the "silence" or the "near silence" parts, which sound a lot deeper in 24-bit.
How often do you listen at a volume where you can distinguish this difference when the data is near full-scale regularly within a track of music?I request that this thread be split.
Moderator: Sorry for this OT !
I think you are hearing a slight difference in volume which can happen when converting to different formats, and thinking the slightly higher volume sounds better.
Please just be sure to post samples (30 seconds or less) and your ABX results. Our TOS specifically states that you cannot make such claims without proof.
Quote from: NIXin on 04 December, 2007, 04:37:24 AMModerator: Sorry for this OT !Please just be sure to post samples (30 seconds or less) and your ABX results. Our TOS specifically states that you cannot make such claims without proof.
And one should never make claims that two items are identical, because ABX tests can NEVER prove such a thing (these tests can only prove that they are different). I have seen several posts around here saying things like "mp3 sounds the same as lossless and I have the ABX test results to prove it" that deserve the same form of punishment.
Isn't that the point of ABX though? To prove that two files either sound identical or different? One could test 320kbps Lame 3.98b6 vs WAV and fail the ABX test. That would prove that one could not effectively distinguish between the two thus making the files sound alike to the listener. Failing a ABX test would show that the files are identical to the person taking the test.
In your theory I can easily prove that they sound the same by failing an ABX test between the two 16/16 times.
Quote from: bug80 on 05 December, 2007, 03:28:06 AMIn your theory I can easily prove that they sound the same by failing an ABX test between the two 16/16 times.Well it would make more sense if you were to fail eight out of sixteen.
My comment was not about sense
...I didn't hear any difference on 5 samples. The 6th, which was a 10 second fragment of Imaginary Day by Pat Metheny, was my savior Finally, heard some difference ...
You are able to hear differences when giving all your best within a situation that has nothing to do with practical listening even when listening carefully, but it looks like the differences were subtle and they are audible only on rare occasion.