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Ogg Vorbis 1.2.0 is out
Reply #25

Just one more mystery: why are the binaries called OGGENC and OGGDEC, rather than VORBENC and VORBDEC ?

It's one of those things that wasn't meant to be, but ended up like that because the future is never clear.  It's now kept for backwards reasons, but with some luck may change in the future*.  It's also why Vorbis's extension is still .ogg even though it should be either .oga or even .vorbis

*either the name or the function; if all goes well, oggenc will in theory be able to encode OggPCM soon.  What is OggPCM, you ask?  Think of it like a much better WAV for audio editors.



I second that too... I hate it when fb2k shows my ogg vids as audio file(ogg)

i searched the net for help, in the end i decided to use the .ogm extention for videos

  • Saoshyant
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Reply #26
i decided to use the .ogm extention for videos


You shouldn't for two reasons: 1) OGM is for MPEG 4 stuff like XviD inside Ogg, and 2) we are now recomending using .ogv video/ogg for video inside Ogg.

I need to get the bloody RFC done.
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Reply #27
When I used oggdropXPd V.1.8.9 using libVorbis v1.2.0(Generic) shown in RAREWARES, I vomit Dr.Watson log with the end of the encoding, and oggdropXPd crashes.

Hmmm, all my testing is on XP Pro and all works fine. Anyone else running win2k that's seeing a problem? The baseline oggdropXPd code is unchanged and this is the first report I've had of a problem.
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Reply #28
What is OggPCM, you ask?  Think of it like a much better WAV for audio editors.


Another one?
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Reply #29
Yes!!


Is it(Oggenc2.83 using libVorbis v1.2.0) better than aoTuV b5?
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Reply #30

Yes!!


Is it(Oggenc2.83 using libVorbis v1.2.0) better than aoTuV b5?

I guess that comment was not too clear in terms of to what it was referring!!. libvorbis 1.2.0 has no quality improvements over 1.1.2 and, so, the answer to your question is that from a quality perspective, aoTuVb5 is considered to be better. 1.2.0 does address some other issues, but none that relate to audio quality. No doubt Aoyumi will merge b5 with 1.2.0 in due course.
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Reply #31
so speex, vorbis & flac all release 1.2.0 releases at the same time - and it wasn't planned?


All I can say is that 1) I knew about Vorbis 1.2 about the day before the release and 2) Speex 1.2 won't be there for at least a few months.

Ogg Vorbis 1.2.0 is out
Reply #32

i decided to use the .ogm extention for videos


You shouldn't for two reasons: 1) OGM is for MPEG 4 stuff like XviD inside Ogg, and 2) we are now recomending using .ogv video/ogg for video inside Ogg.

I need to get the bloody RFC done.




ok... will rename(again!)

but IMO, its better to use the standard .ogg extention for video and audio files, and .vrb for vorbis, .oga for audio only file and .ogv for video only files...

and I have a second question: is the container used for speex and flac the same as ogg or a stripped down version or completely different? because if its the same, I wouldn't mind using the .vrb extention for my ogg/vorbis music...

  • Saoshyant
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Reply #33
and I have a second question: is the container used for speex and flac the same as ogg or a stripped down version or completely different? because if its the same, I wouldn't mind using the .vrb extention for my vorbis music...


Speex uses Ogg.  FLAC uses both Ogg and its own container; it depends of what the producer decides.  The latter is more common, though -- it's rare for Ogg FLAC to show up on the wild.

You should read our recommendation for file extensions, if you care to follow the specification for file naming.  .vrb for instance would not be allowed in such case.  You are free to name your files whatever way you prefer, though.
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Reply #34
Is it(Oggenc2.83 using libVorbis v1.2.0) better than aoTuV b5?


A bit different question: does someone be able to merge vorbis 1.2.0 with aoTuV b5 tunings ? 

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Reply #35
Is it(Oggenc2.83 using libVorbis v1.2.0) better than aoTuV b5?


A bit different question: does someone be able to merge vorbis 1.2.0 with aoTuV b5 tunings ? 

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Reply #36
From the mailing list thread for 1.2.0 RC:
>> This does not incorporate any of the tunings from the aoTuV branch
> ...Yet. Before anyone asks, Monty will add the tunings on another
> release. There can't be just a blind merge. It has to be tested
> appropriately.
> -Ivo


So, there is no ETA on that release ?

  • micmac
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Reply #37

Is it(Oggenc2.83 using libVorbis v1.2.0) better than aoTuV b5?


A bit different question: does someone be able to merge vorbis 1.2.0 with aoTuV b5 tunings ? 

Aoyumi! 


The patch (aotuvb5-libvorbis1.1.2.diff) applies almost cleanly to libvorbis-1.2.0. Only the libvorbis version has to be changed. Here's a patch upon the patch: http://pastebin.com/f79815e76

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Reply #38
The patch (aotuvb5-libvorbis1.1.2.diff) applies almost cleanly to libvorbis-1.2.0. Only the libvorbis version has to be changed. Here's a patch upon the patch: http://pastebin.com/f79815e76


...and what about Lancer ? 

  • Aoyumi
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Reply #39

Is it(Oggenc2.83 using libVorbis v1.2.0) better than aoTuV b5?


A bit different question: does someone be able to merge vorbis 1.2.0 with aoTuV b5 tunings ? 

Aoyumi! 


I don't have the plan to merge beta5 and libvorbis 1.2.0.
It will happen by the upcoming version of aoTuV. 

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Reply #40
When I used oggdropXPd V.1.8.9 using libVorbis v1.2.0(Generic) shown in RAREWARES, I vomit Dr.Watson log with the end of the encoding, and oggdropXPd crashes.
Hmmm, all my testing is on XP Pro and all works fine. Anyone else running win2k that's seeing a problem? The baseline oggdropXPd code is unchanged and this is the first report I've had of a problem.
Same thing here. oggdropXPdV1.8.9-1.2.0-generic / Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack 4 (pt-BR)

Code: [Select]
Microsoft ® Windows 2000 ™ Versão 5.00 DrWtsn32
Copyright © 1985-1999 Microsoft Corp. Todos os direitos reservados.



Exceção de aplicativo:
Aplicativo:  (pid=804)
Data e hora: 29/7/2007 às 18:20:04.286
Número da exceção: c0000005 (violação de acesso)

*----> Informação do sistema <----*
Nome do computador: K6
Nome de usuário: User
Número de processadores: 1
Tipo de processador: x86 Family 5 Model 8 Stepping 12
Versão do Windows 2000: 5.0
Versão atual: 2195
Service Pack: 4
Tipo atual: Uniprocessor Free
Empresa registrada: .
Proprietário registrado: User

*----> Lista de tarefas <----*
   0 Idle.exe
   8 System.exe
 132 smss.exe
 160 csrss.exe
 180 WINLOGON.exe
 208 SERVICES.exe
 220 LSASS.exe
 416 svchost.exe
 468 svchost.exe
 496 mstask.exe
 528 winmgmt.exe
 696 explorer.exe
 800 GoogleToolbarNo.exe
 288 NTVDM.exe
 804 oggdropXPd.exe
 752 drwtsn32.exe
   0 _Total.exe

(00400000 - 00583000)
(78460000 - 784E0000)
(77550000 - 77581000)
(77E10000 - 77E79000)
(77F40000 - 77F7F000)
(79720000 - 797DA000)
(792D0000 - 79335000)
(77120000 - 77198000)
(7CF70000 - 7D1CB000)
(71710000 - 71794000)
(70BD0000 - 70C35000)
(78000000 - 78045000)
(7CE60000 - 7CF61000)

Despejo de estado para o identificador do segmento 0x128

eax=0012fb0c ebx=00000000 ecx=00000000 edx=00000000 esi=0012fee0 edi=77e41e49
eip=77e41eb3 esp=0012fe98 ebp=0012feb8 iopl=0 nv up ei pl zr na po nc
cs=001b  ss=0023  ds=0023  es=0023  fs=0038  gs=0000 efl=00000246


função: DispatchMessageW
77e41e99 e8349dffff   call GetFocus+0x50 (77e3bbd2)
77e41e9e e93effffff   jmp GetWindowLongW+0x681 (77e41de1)
77e41ea3 90   nop
77e41ea4 90   nop
77e41ea5 90   nop
77e41ea6 90   nop
77e41ea7 90   nop
77e41ea8 b89a110000   mov eax,0x119a
77e41ead 8d542404 lea edx,[esp+0x4]   ss:00ba9d7f=????????
77e41eb1 cd2e int 2e
77e41eb3 c21000   ret 0x10
77e41eb6 90   nop
77e41eb7 90   nop
77e41eb8 90   nop
77e41eb9 90   nop
77e41eba 90   nop

*----> Rastreamento regressivo da pilha<----*

FramePtr ReturnAd Param#1  Param#2  Param#3  Param#4  Nome da função
0012FEB8 00415440 0012FEE0 00000000 00000000 00000000 user32!DispatchMessageW
77E27ECB E9E80824 C200019D A4E80004 8500013C CB840FC0 !<nosymbols>
74FF016A 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 <nosymbols>

*----> Despejo simplificado da pilha<----*
0012fe98  7d 79 e2 77 e0 fe 12 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  }y.w............
0012fea8  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 3f 79 e2 77 49 1e e4 77  ........?y.wI..w
0012feb8  cb 7e e2 77 40 54 41 00 - e0 fe 12 00 00 00 00 00  .~.w@TA.........
0012fec8  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 93 08 00 00 02 00 00 00  ................
0012fed8  c0 ff 12 00 01 00 00 00 - 7c 00 1a 00 0f 00 00 00  ........|.......
0012fee8  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - d0 a8 14 00 0b 02 00 00  ................
0012fef8  ac 01 00 00 30 00 00 00 - 03 00 00 00 70 40 41 00  ....0.......p@A.
0012ff08  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 40 00 cb 00 bd 01  ..........@.....
0012ff18  11 00 01 00 10 00 90 01 - 00 00 00 00 10 84 47 00  ..............G.
0012ff28  07 01 6e 00 a2 93 43 00 - 00 00 c8 42 00 00 00 00  ..n...C....B....
0012ff38  e8 2f 13 00 00 40 9c 47 - bf 23 ca 4b 6f 00 70 00  ./...@.G.#.Ko.p.
0012ff48  58 00 50 00 00 f0 fd 7f - 44 00 00 00 18 46 13 00  X.P.....D....F..
0012ff58  00 46 13 00 20 45 13 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  .F.. E..........
0012ff68  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0012ff78  00 00 00 00 01 04 00 00 - 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
0012ff88  00 00 00 00 01 00 01 00 - 00 00 00 00 bc ff 12 00  ................
0012ff98  00 00 00 00 05 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 6f 00 70 00  ............o.p.
0012ffa8  40 ff 12 00 f9 39 54 5b - e0 ff 12 00 80 b7 43 00  @....9T[......C.
0012ffb8  47 b4 9f 4b 01 00 00 00 - f0 ff 12 00 89 89 74 79  G..K..........ty
0012ffc8  6f 00 70 00 58 00 50 00 - 00 f0 fd 7f 65 00 00 00  o.p.X.P.....e...

Despejo de estado para o identificador do segmento 0x23c

eax=0003c230 ebx=009b0000 ecx=7ffdd000 edx=009b0608 esi=00abf310 edi=00a830e0
eip=784ad6ad esp=00abe93c ebp=00abe948 iopl=0 nv up ei ng nz na pe cy
cs=001b  ss=0023  ds=0023  es=0023  fs=0038  gs=0000 efl=00000283


função: RtlZeroHeap
784ad692 56   push esi
784ad693 8b750c   mov esi,[ebp+0xc]   ss:0153882e=????????
784ad696 8b5d08   mov ebx,[ebp+0x8]   ss:0153882e=????????
784ad699 57   push edi
784ad69a 8bfe mov edi,esi
784ad69c 0fb74602 movzx  eax,word ptr [esi+0x2] ds:015391f7=????
784ad6a0 c1e003   shl eax,0x3
784ad6a3 2bf8 sub edi,eax
784ad6a5 3bfe cmp edi,esi
784ad6a7 0f84cb010000 je   RtlZeroHeap+0x702 (784ad878)
FALHA -> 784ad6ad f6470501 test byte ptr [edi+0x5],0x1   ds:014fcfc6=??
784ad6b1 0f85c1010000 jne RtlZeroHeap+0x702 (784ad878)
784ad6b7 0fb707   movzx  eax,word ptr [edi] ds:00a830e0=????
784ad6ba 8b4d10   mov ecx,[ebp+0x10] ss:0153882e=????????
784ad6bd 0301 add eax,[ecx]   ds:7ffdd000=00abe9e4
784ad6bf 3d00fe0000   cmp eax,0xfe00
784ad6c4 0f87ae010000 jnbe RtlZeroHeap+0x702 (784ad878)
784ad6ca 807d1400 cmp byte ptr [ebp+0x14],0x0   ss:0153882e=??
784ad6ce 0f84b7000000 je   RtlZeroHeap+0x615 (784ad78b)
784ad6d4 56   push esi
784ad6d5 53   push ebx
784ad6d6 e814fdfcff   call RtlIsValidIndexHandle+0x182f (7847d3ef)

*----> Rastreamento regressivo da pilha<----*

FramePtr ReturnAd Param#1  Param#2  Param#3  Param#4  Nome da função
00ABE948 784AB80C 009B0000 00ABF310 00ABE9C0 00000000 ntdll!RtlZeroHeap
00ABE9F4 00435420 009B0000 00000000 00ABF318 4B73364B ntdll!RtlFreeHeap
00ABEA34 0040C89C 00ABF318 7972B57B 7974B8F7 00000000 !<nosymbols>
00ABFFA0 0040CF34 00350034 00370036 00ABFFEC 00000000 !<nosymbols>
79747CC1 56530C45 6AFF3357 5B40A801 C38A0474 C4F637EB !<nosymbols>
8BEC8B55 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 <nosymbols>

*----> Despejo simplificado da pilha<----*
00abe93c  00 00 9b 00 10 f3 ab 00 - 18 f3 ab 00 f4 e9 ab 00  ................
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00abe97c  01 e9 ab 00 00 00 00 00 - c4 e9 ab 00 d0 69 9b 00  .............i..
00abe98c  01 16 46 78 ff ff ff ff - 18 e9 ab 00 3f 54 43 00  ..Fx........?TC.
00abe99c  dc e9 ab 00 64 7e 49 78 - f8 01 9b 00 20 ab bf 00  ....d~Ix.... ...
00abe9ac  01 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 - f8 01 9b 00 00 00 00 00  ................
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00abe9dc  60 e9 ab 00 88 e5 ab 00 - 24 ea ab 00 64 7e 49 78  `.......$...d~Ix
00abe9ec  78 16 46 78 01 00 00 00 - 34 ea ab 00 20 54 43 00  x.Fx....4... TC.
00abe9fc  00 00 9b 00 00 00 00 00 - 18 f3 ab 00 4b 36 73 4b  ............K6sK
00abea0c  02 00 00 00 84 f9 06 00 - 44 ac 00 00 00 00 00 00  ........D.......
00abea1c  08 ea ab 00 8c e5 ab 00 - dc ff ab 00 80 b7 43 00  ..............C.
00abea2c  87 b9 9f 4b fe ff ff ff - a0 ff ab 00 9c c8 40 00  ...K..........@.
00abea3c  18 f3 ab 00 7b b5 72 79 - f7 b8 74 79 00 00 00 00  ....{.ry..ty....
00abea4c  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
00abea5c  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ................
00abea6c  0f ed ab 00 00 00 00 00 - 27 f1 ab 00 00 40 9c 47  ........'....@.G

EDIT: Ooops! Codebox...
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  • pepoluan
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Reply #41


Is it(Oggenc2.83 using libVorbis v1.2.0) better than aoTuV b5?


A bit different question: does someone be able to merge vorbis 1.2.0 with aoTuV b5 tunings ? 

Aoyumi! 


I don't have the plan to merge beta5 and libvorbis 1.2.0.
It will happen by the upcoming version of aoTuV. 

Kewl! I'll look forward to your newer version. I suspect Great Things are afoot!
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Reply #42



Is it(Oggenc2.83 using libVorbis v1.2.0) better than aoTuV b5?


A bit different question: does someone be able to merge vorbis 1.2.0 with aoTuV b5 tunings ? 

Aoyumi! 


I don't have the plan to merge beta5 and libvorbis 1.2.0.
It will happen by the upcoming version of aoTuV. 

Kewl! I'll look forward to your newer version. I suspect Great Things are afoot!




and I also hope you make cymbals sound better  Vorbis has only one noticable flaw and that is the way it handles a series of thrashing cymbals...

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Reply #43
and I also hope you make cymbals sound better  Vorbis has only one noticable flaw and that is the way it handles a series of thrashing cymbals...


Well, beating your head against the wall won't make anything any better. Are you participating in the 64 kbps listening test?
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Reply #44



and I also hope you make cymbals sound better  Vorbis has only one noticable flaw and that is the way it handles a series of thrashing cymbals...


Well, beating your head against the wall won't make anything any better. Are you participating in the 64 kbps listening test?



I got screwed by the program... used foobar to play 'em all instead
but vorbis did quite well, especially concidering the type of music was the one I like(METAL)... I chose that sample from metallica's wherever I may roam, the S&M version(sample#13).... lars ulrich's cymbals sounded quite natural to me. it was almost better than the aac 112 kbps version


but getting back to topic, I can't wait for still lower bitrates in vorbis like 16 to 20 kbps....

Merging of AoTuV b5 and Vorbis 1.2 wil be great.

is there a way to optimise aotuv so that it can convert mp3 to vorbis easily without much loss?
also, they say 448 kbps is the minimum bitrate required for transcoading... but what If I plan to use extremely low bitrates for output? say Vorbis AoTuV -q-2?(read minus two; 32 kbps)? will 128-192 kbps mp3 do?

  • Saoshyant
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is there a way to optimise aotuv so that it can convert mp3 to vorbis easily without much loss?

No.  That's totally out of scope of what the aoTuV tunnings do.

also, they say 448 kbps is the minimum bitrate required for transcoading...

That would be an urban myth.

So, there is no ETA on that release ?

No.

I'm beginning to think of making a fundraise to hire developers to deal with delayed and/or dying Xiph projects.  Getting people paid will very likely speed up things.
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Reply #46
Holy smokes, I thought Vorbis was dead... really. Like Duke Nukem Forever dead. This is great news & I'm really happy, I love Vorbis but I really have to ask myself, is it even relevant anymore? I'm not trolling at all, I have legitimate curiosity since the furor and intensity of the Vorbis community has pretty much dropped off the face of the earth... I mean, remember how much of a big deal it was when Unreal Tourney came out w/ Vorbis as the audio?? Does Vorbis still have a future in this sense? I'd really love to know what people's thoughts and opinions are about this.

  • vinnie97
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Reply #47
What's the point of the doom and gloom?  It's doing marvelously amongst our collective:  http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=51493

And the last third party tunings/builds came out less than a year ago.

One can't expect to move mountains without the capital possessed by the AAC backers and yet Vorbis is still pulling ahead of them according to at least our nonscientific poll.

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Reply #48

is there a way to optimise aotuv so that it can convert mp3 to vorbis easily without much loss?

No.  That's totally out of scope of what the aoTuV tunnings do.

also, they say 448 kbps is the minimum bitrate required for transcoading...

That would be an urban myth.

So, there is no ETA on that release ?

No.

I'm beginning to think of making a fundraise to hire developers to deal with delayed and/or dying Xiph projects.  Getting people paid will very likely speed up things.



1) know it... it it was already done everyone would be using ogg vorbis... I asked if its possible

2) Then what is the correct answer?

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anyway, when will OggDropXPed with Vorbis 1.2 be released?

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Reply #49
.......
anyway, when will OggDropXPed with Vorbis 1.2 be released?

It's been on Rarewares since 27 July!!
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