Codecs known not to work include Nero AAC and virtually all other MP3 codecs.
Music file uploads must occur through iTunes for gapless playback to be preserved on the iPod. (foo_dop in particular does not work yet.)
Quote from: greynol on 19 September, 2006, 02:03:11 AMIf older iPods are gapless with rockbox, wouldn't that suggest that the hardware IS capable?No. RockBox is doing a full software decoding, thus reducing battery life. In (previous) iPods there is a chip dedicated to decoding, and this chip is not used by RockBox.
If older iPods are gapless with rockbox, wouldn't that suggest that the hardware IS capable?
So would I be correct in summarizing this thread to the following?iPod 5G and Nano support gapless playback. 4G may or may not depending on who you talk to. 3G and below, and Mini, do not.Codecs known to work include, at least: iTunes AAC, iTunes ALAC, LAME MP3.Codecs known not to work include Nero AAC and virtually all other MP3 codecs.If your configuration does not support gapless playback for whatever reason, you will perceive a very small gap (on the order of tens of milliseconds) between tracks.Music file uploads must occur through iTunes for gapless playback to be preserved on the iPod. (foo_dop in particular does not work yet.)The Gapless flag on each track in iTunes does not have anything to do with iPod gapless support; it is a way to short-circuit crossfade playback in iTunes.
Yes, Rockbox is doing a full software decoding, but so is the Apple firmware - none of the ipods have a dedicated audio decoding chip. They all just contain a simple DAC which is fed PCM data via i2s from the CPU.If you want more info on the hardware in the ipods, the ipodlinux wiki has a nice breakdown of every ipod going back to the first generation devices, as well as links to documentation describing the functionality of those chips:http://ipodlinux.org/Generations
I'm using windows media player 11 beta (and happy enough) but due to nasty gaps it puts on any burns I use itunes to convert wma lossless to wav etc...For compelations I just use WMP as I don't mind the gaps then.Most annoyed when installing itunes 7 and all it's glorious gapless newness, it seems to have knocked out wmp's ability to see my CD-R/DVD-R drive as anything but a playback device.I upgraded to wmp 11 beta2 hoping that may reset stuff...
Codecs known not to work include Nero AAC
This news definitely has me leaning towards replacing the Rio Karma, which I bought specifically for it's gapless playback and audio quality, with an 80GB iPod. To get my entire music collection onto my Karma (the wife has one too) requires Vorbis (which has a higher impact on battery life than mp3 or wma) at 80kbps or lower, and this is obviously starting to become a problem. Even she has started to notice that some songs sound odd, and she's not into encoding, bitrates, or any of that stuff at all. Would be nice if AAC-HE support was added too, particularly in light of that recent 64kbps test, though with 80GB I guess it wouldn't be a priority for us for quite a while. That is unless we start using video a lot, which I could see happening. Sure am glad we've held off on the whole iPod craze for as long as we have actually, because it's sure going to be nice to get one at this point now that the product has matured so much. That and the fact that iPod's have so much third party support are truly making it hard to resist any longer.
Personally, I would think twice before buying the 80GB iPod. <snip>Would you really watch many full movies and TV shows on such a tiny screen? I know I wouldn't.
Sorry for the second time I ask, but does anyone know if the stuttering problem is still a problem!? Or is there a new firmware version available for mini 2g?I can't test it myself at this time, but it's the most important thing for me. And yes, I think it's more important than gapless playback. 10-15% of my songs are stuttering - what a disaster.
Codecs known to work include, at least: iTunes AAC, iTunes ALAC, LAME MP3.
Quote from: Axon on 21 September, 2006, 10:10:30 AMCodecs known to work include, at least: iTunes AAC, iTunes ALAC, LAME MP3.I tried iTunes7's MP3 encoder, 128kbps VBR highest quality, and it's gapless. However, the encoded MP3s are not gapless with foobar.
That being said, iTunes' native MP3 encoder is still crap (esp. in VBR mode):http://www.rjamorim.com/test/mp3-128/results.htmlSo just because it can play back gaplessly on iPod doesn't mean one should do so
Quote from: michael.conner on 25 September, 2006, 11:36:11 PMThat being said, iTunes' native MP3 encoder is still crap (esp. in VBR mode):http://www.rjamorim.com/test/mp3-128/results.htmlSo just because it can play back gaplessly on iPod doesn't mean one should do so That was done in 2004. We're in 2006. That test used iTunes4.2, we're at version 7 now. Any ABX comparison between both versions? How do you know iTunes7's MP3 encoder is "still crap"? Is quoting old listening tests the acceptable TOS now in HA?
Apple iTunes 4.2 MP3 112kbps VBR, Highest quality, joint stereo, smart encoding
It should be pointed out which bitrate was used for that test:QuoteApple iTunes 4.2 MP3 112kbps VBR, Highest quality, joint stereo, smart encodingSebastian Mares is planning on giving the codec a more fair shake this time around.