Quote from: legg on 14 June, 2006, 12:13:56 AMThat's funny, I use the word watery to refer to warbling.Woudln't just saying warbling be better? The problem with "watery" is that it means different things to different people, it isn't a description of an artifact.
That's funny, I use the word watery to refer to warbling.
Enjoy the music, friend, and if a lower bitrate is alright for you, that's good 'cos you can take more of that wonderful thing with you!!
Quote from: sld on 13 June, 2006, 04:36:07 PMdpaint4, what's your laptop's soundcard? A better external soundcard may help, unless the existing one is from m-audio or something.I'm absolutely sure that my laptop has some kind of integrated sound thing. It's seriously not high end. But I don't think I can hide behind that excuse. Certainly my laptop sounds as good as my iPod or my X5. And it's better than my last computer which had awful ambient noise. This one is at least silent when it's supposed to be.
dpaint4, what's your laptop's soundcard? A better external soundcard may help, unless the existing one is from m-audio or something.
I think the reason is in large due to the common misconception that audio compression heavily alters the sound. Less dynamics, weaker bass and all those other descriptions "audiophiles" like to throw around, and that in fact are nothing more than just placebo. But in reality, the artifacts are much more subtle, and often require actual training for an inexperienced user to be able to hear them. So when somebody tries an ABX test for the first time, without previous training the results are most of the time surprising. But I would say that sometimes it's not really a good idea to train for compression artifacts. I guess in this case you could really say that ignorance is a bliss. Enjoy your music and forget about the golden ears.
// Take my note only as a personal reflection, not a statement //I have a hard time abx:ing 128 kbps in both recent mp3 encodings and in vorbis using my laptop integrated Soundmax chip. It gets a lot easier when I use the M-Audio Firewire 410 (both with AKG 240 M headphones). The best description I can give, is that the Soundmax sound is kind of "blurry". So, do this test of yours again using a better soundcard!
Quote from: Ruby on 13 June, 2006, 07:48:18 PMThough, must admit that massive hangovers and Britney Spears don't exactly help with ABX Thats normal. It cannot sound much worse, even if you encode it lossy.
Though, must admit that massive hangovers and Britney Spears don't exactly help with ABX
(imo mpc preferred, as it was especially tuned for this, and this will not change, even as it is some months ago smile.gif )
this topic forced me to do my first abx test:LAME -V8 was easy but -V7 was already indistinguishable
And I think i'll try to compress a bit more with NeroAAC, because 0.35 is very transparent to me.
Q 4: No more warbling, lowpass nearly non-existent. Ears getting tired, I stop testing here: 8/8, but then 10/13.
Just a heads up, but when you ABX, you need to decide how many trials you'll do in advance. If you stop when you're ahead, you defeat the purpose of the test.