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Replaygain = SoundCheck?

Hello,

I was wondering, I heard many good opinions about Replaygain and that I MUST use it if i'm decoding albums.
The music is mostly for my Ipod, and I know Ipod use Soundcheck.

My questions is if both are the same thing?
If I'll Check "
"Use REplaygain" in Diskwriter option in foobar, is it going to work on my Ipod?
And if not, how can I rip music from foobar (using Itunesencoder) AND enjoy Sound check?

(Where can I find if my music file using soundhcek/replaygain ?)

Replaygain = SoundCheck?

Reply #1 –
Soundcheck is similiar to replaygain, yes - but there is one big difference: soundcheck only supports EITHER trackgain OR albumgain, but not both simultaneusly. Thus, with soundcheck you need to decide beforehand if you want each track to be equally loud, or each album be roughly equally loud(preserving loudness-differences between the individual tracks of an album).

Replaygain on the other hand allows to analyze the files one single time, and then afterwards you can switch playback-mode between trackgain and albumgain on-the-fly.

Foo_pod allows to sync between replaygain and soundcheck, so that you can have both - however, because iTunes/iPod only supports soundcheck, the above described limitation will kick in while playing your music via iTunes/iPod.

- Lyx
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

Replaygain = SoundCheck?

Reply #2 –
I don't have an ipod, and I have only played with soundcheck briefly while testing iTunes. From what I understand soundcheck is similar to replaygain; souncheck values are stored in the itunes database, and probably in the tags as well since reportedly the ipods can use soundcheck during playback; it does not alter the files.

Replaygain value can be stored in tags as well, and can be used to adjust the tracks before encoding, so that your ipod/dap will not need to be replaygain aware. If I remember correctly you are trying to convert your CD collection to AAC for the ipod. Here's what I would do:

1. disable soundcheck in itunes
2. in foobar2000 disable applying replaygain in the converter
3. rip and convert all your library to a lossless (wavpack, flac) or high bitrate lossy (musepack, ogg vorbis) format
4. scan all the newly ripped tracked for replaygain in album mode; save the replaygain information in tags
5. enable applying replaygain in album mode in foobar2000 converter
6. convert your high quality archive to m4a using itunesencode and whatever bitrate  you are confortable listening too on your ipod/dap

It does take a long time, especially the ripping (step 3). Step 4 and 5 can be left to run overnight by themselves on your whole collection. The important thing is to have a high quality archive, as close as possible to the original, so that you will not need to rerip them.

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Reply #3 –
Wow, It is going to take long time.
No shorter way?
I mean, I think its good enough for me to rip from CD directy into AAC (without the middle loseless convertion .. )

I'm using Winamp, which do not support Replaygain in the defualt mode (I think there is a plugin somewhere...) so I don't really care about Replaygain when playing songs on my PC.
I do care about playing files in my Ipod since 99% of the time he is on my bag.

There is no way to "write" those databags without encoding directy from itunes?
Maybe Decoding in foobar and then manually do this "Soundcheck" tags from Itunes?

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Reply #4 –
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Foo_pod allows to sync between replaygain and soundcheck, so that you can have both - however, because iTunes/iPod only supports soundcheck, the above described limitation will kick in while playing your music via iTunes/iPod.
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Reply #5 –
OK.
I did it, i'm not sure I did it right -
I converted my whole Album in AAC using FooBar. Then I selected them all (In FooBar), click on Replaying Gain and Scan selection as Album.

Now, when i'm check the file details in FooBar I can see the Replaygain values, but someone I can't see them if I try to use File Details in Itunes.

Is Ipod going to use the Replaygain values anyway (Even if Itunes won't show them? )

*By the way, activing Soundcheck in Itunes will Overwrite foobar replaygain settings?

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Reply #6 –
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Is Ipod going to use the Replaygain values anyway (Even if Itunes won't show them? )

No, as i said earlier, iTunes only supports soundcheck, not replaygain.

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*By the way, activing Soundcheck in Itunes will Overwrite foobar replaygain settings?
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No, as mentioned earlier, you can have both simultaneusly. And if you use foo_pod(which is only available for fb2k 0.8, not 0.9 yet), then you can copy the RG-values to soundcheck values, so that both are in sync.

Thus, the way to do it would be RG-scanning the files with foobar, and then copying them to soundcheck-values via foo_pod. As explained earlier, soundcheck does only allow either trackgain or albumgain, so when copying from RG to soundcheck you will need to decide beforehand if the albumgain or trackgain values should be copied to soundcheck.
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Is Ipod going to use the Replaygain values anyway (Even if Itunes won't show them? )

No, as i said earlier, iTunes only supports soundcheck, not replaygain.

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*By the way, activing Soundcheck in Itunes will Overwrite foobar replaygain settings?
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No, as mentioned earlier, you can have both simultaneusly. And if you use foo_pod(which is only available for fb2k 0.8, not 0.9 yet), then you can copy the RG-values to soundcheck values, so that both are in sync.

Thus, the way to do it would be RG-scanning the files with foobar, and then copying them to soundcheck-values via foo_pod. As explained earlier, soundcheck does only allow either trackgain or albumgain, so when copying from RG to soundcheck you will need to decide beforehand if the albumgain or trackgain values should be copied to soundcheck.
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I see, you remember the name of the options to sync the replaygain values into soundcheck? (Couldnt find the option, still checking)

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Reply #8 –
Well, i don't own an iPod and therefore dont have iTunes installed. I just read that foo_pod supports that while reading it's discussion-thread.

Someone else will need to help out here.
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

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Reply #9 –
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Well, i don't own an iPod and therefore dont have iTunes installed. I just read that foo_pod supports that while reading it's discussion-thread.

Someone else will need to help out here.
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I see, well if anyone know how to do It I would love to know.

Lyx - Thanks ALOT for your helped, you saved me alot of time, cheers mate

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I see, you remember the name of the options to sync the replaygain values into soundcheck? (Couldnt find the option, still checking)
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Do you mean, in foobar, components->foopod->preferences->advanced->replaygain/soundcheck conversion?

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I see, you remember the name of the options to sync the replaygain values into soundcheck? (Couldnt find the option, still checking)
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Do you mean, in foobar, components->foopod->preferences->advanced->replaygain/soundcheck conversion?
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Cool, and in order to do the conversion itself I have to sync my music files from foobar to Ipod using foo_pod?

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I see, you remember the name of the options to sync the replaygain values into soundcheck? (Couldnt find the option, still checking)
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Do you mean, in foobar, components->foopod->preferences->advanced->replaygain/soundcheck conversion?
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Cool, and in order to do the conversion itself I have to sync my music files from foobar to Ipod using foo_pod?
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If you want to use Replaygain on the Ipod, you'll need to add the files using foo_pod.  I suggest you look at its very detailed manual.  2 minutes with it would probably clear this up.  Google for it, or just check the foo_pod thread in 3rd party components.

Also, I suggest upgrading your winamp decoder.  The one with replaygain is massively more powerful since it supports more tag types, unicode, gapless playback and other features missing in the standard decoder.

[a href="http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18530]http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=18530[/url]

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Reply #13 –
It might help if we knew what it was that you wanted to do, exactly. Do you want to use iTunes or foo_pod? What format is your music in? Do you want to convert it to some other format? Do you prefer track gain or album gain?

ReplayGain and SoundCheck perform much the same function, ReplayGain is simply a tad more complex because it has more capabilities (and is more accurate). But they generally do the same thing.

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It might help if we knew what it was that you wanted to do, exactly. Do you want to use iTunes or foo_pod? What format is your music in? Do you want to convert it to some other format? Do you prefer track gain or album gain?

ReplayGain and SoundCheck perform much the same function, ReplayGain is simply a tad more complex because it has more capabilities (and is more accurate). But they generally do the same thing.
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OK, I'll try to clear things up.
A week ago I got a 4th generation Ipod. Up until now, I used Ogg Vorbis to decode my music, but sadly enough, Ipod won't support ogg.
After reading alot about codecs and asking question, I came to understand that Itunes AAC will be the best choice for me.
Because I didn't like the fact Itunes lack of configuration, I started to use foobar + itunesdecoder.exe.
Because i'm not going to maintain both my old ogg files AND aac files, im going to remake my whole CD collection and make ACC my standard in PC and Ipod.
While reading the Ipod Manual, I came across Soundcheck, but I did not like what Itunes did with it (sounds crappy) and again, I looked for more information. I heard you can use replaygain with foobar, and with foo_pod convert it into sound check which sounds better then the original soundcheck itunes produce. I'm going to use Album gain I think (because Track gain doesnt sound very logical to me, or maybe I didn't get it right).

Thats about it

Up until now I :
1) Downloaded Foobar  special + foo_pod
2) Set my player using [a href="http://mahune.org/archive/2005/04/07/foobaring-itunes/]http://mahune.org/archive/2005/04/07/foobaring-itunes/[/url] this guide (is it only me or it suppose to be m4a and not wav?)
3) Ripped a CD
4) Selected all the CD list, and replaygain album scaned it.

Now I just need to Sync it to the Ipod with foo bar and I hope it will work  (With sound check)

*Note - Is it possible to limit CD speed? my CD is kinda old and used clip me unless I limit CD speed (Could do it on Audio Grabber)

Sorry for the bad English, and thanks

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Reply #16 –
Thanks for your time guys