well, i surf a lot, and i never encountered any problem with them, like being spammed with "use ff", or such. so i really don't get what harm can they cause.

i don't have an agenda. but i LOVE consumer rights. and as a software architect, and IT specialist, i hate monopolies.

well, at least FF tries to comply with the W3C standards, that anyone can follow. there are no MS/IE standards. FF is even doing good for Opera, Safari, Konkeror.

is not that products from MS are evil.

MS marketing tactics are.

MS products are bad (bloated, insecure).

Last, if it where a case of "anything against MS", i would have to love Opera.

Anyway, was it a holliday there in BR?

whoa. You must surf very few places. Are you sure you never saw anyone of these buttons populating pages around the web (most notably blogs)? Often followed by a huge diatribe about how MS is utterly evil and how FF is absolutely good.

Why do you work for IBM then? They were a big monopoly in the past. So much, that they were forced to hire a certain William Gates and his peers to create an OS for them, as the courts wouldn't allow them to bundle their own OS with their PCs.

Konqueror is Gecko integrated to KDE, so it can hardly be considered different from FF. And what good is it doing for competing browsers? As for W3C standards that everyone should follow: I won't get into that effete argument. If you really feel like arguing about it, visit this thread.

Tough luck. Welcome to corporate world. Resign from your job at IBM tomorrow, please, because let me tell you - they can be just as bad.

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MS products are bad (bloated, insecure).

You are just spreading age-old FUD, like your quickly-debunked claim about IIS. Make a real point with examples and hard data, or just stop spreading pre-made catch phrases.

Nope, because Opera never posed and will probably never pose any threat against IE. The only browser with a position to threaten, if only slightly, IE's dominance is FF.

Yeah, independence day. People get all trippy about it and go out on streets on millitaristic parades. Being a banana republic just out of a military coup sucks.

PPS. And I believe rutra80 was hinting also at red stars/certain graphics style in Mozilla in general...which I actually like a bit more than opera guy actually
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Why do you work for IBM then? They were a big monopoly in the past. So much, that they were forced to hire a certain William Gates and his peers to create an OS for them, as the courts wouldn't allow them to bundle their own OS with their PCs.

Lastly, one big annoyance in both browsers is that neither of them allow the interface to have more than one bookmark bar. I'd find that very useful, as I tend to access all bookmarks directly from there, instead of navigating through the bookmark menu...

Lastly, one big annoyance in both browsers is that neither of them allow the interface to have more than one bookmark bar. I'd find that very useful, as I tend to access all bookmarks directly from there, instead of navigating through the bookmark menu...
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Seems I missed the original discussion, but to add a few thoughts on the original topic...

One of the nice things about Opera is it has lots of features which are not yet present in Firefox (at least until recently). Opera's back and forward buttons redraw the page instantly, something not present in Firefox until the recent Deer Park beta. Another nice feature is Opera's ability to rearrange tabs, also not present until Deer Park. A requirement (imo) for any tabbed browser is the ability to save all tabs on exit and open them again on startup; this works perfectly in Opera, and is unavailable in Firefox, save for a few extensions that break every time Firefox gets updated, and that fail to restore tabs quite often anyway. This is often a major source of disappointment in Firefox; extensions that I used to use are no longer updated for new versions, a skin I was using doesn't work anymore..
Other nice features of Opera: it is the only browser I've seen that can zoom a page fully and correctly (images get increased proportionately with text), and that lets you specifies whether you want to use disk space or RAM for cache, and how much of each one.
That's not to say Opera is all good; it has poor RSS handling (imo), by forcing you to use its horrible email client, whereas Firefox has the best RSS support I've seen, by showing you items from a feed in a drop down menu, which is very convenient.
One last nice thing about Opera is having builds available for Windows, Mac, Solaris, BeOS, FreeBSD, Linux, OS/2, and some other weird things I've never heard of before. Beats having to compile it yourself, if you use some obscure platform...
Lastly, one big annoyance in both browsers is that neither of them allow the interface to have more than one bookmark bar. I'd find that very useful, as I tend to access all bookmarks directly from there, instead of navigating through the bookmark menu...
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Stuff for turd-brained pinheads.

We have other worse examples, not directly related to spreadFF but retard anyway. At least they are funny (i dont remeber, but i think someone posted this link here beforem - maybe yourself actually IIRC.

I forgot the url, but the guy redirected you to another page if you were using IE, saying "you're here because of IE", with a whole page explaining why he did that.
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