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Buy music from iTunes Music Store without DRM

http://fuware.nanocrew.net/pymusique/

This is an alternate interface to the iTunes Music Store. Apparently, the music that Apple sells isn't encrypted until after it is downloaded. So this software allows you to purchase music from the store and bypass the final step of encrypting the file.

You can also create an account from within PyMusique, which does not require agreeing to an EULA.

Very cool, but I wonder how long until Apple tries to shut this down and whether the shut down will come legally or technologically.

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http://fuware.nanocrew.net/pymusique/

This is an alternate interface to the iTunes Music Store. Apparently, the music that Apple sells isn't encrypted until after it is downloaded. So this software allows you to purchase music from the store and bypass the final step of encrypting the file.

You can also create an account from within PyMusique, which does not require agreeing to an EULA.

Very cool, but I wonder how long until Apple tries to shut this down and whether the shut down will come legally or technologically.
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Let's keep it quiet and low-profile then??
I might give it a shot, but using an existing legit account, if one of my mates will let me test it with their details... No way I'm opening an iTunes account though this.

If I do test it I'll report back here.

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Let's keep it quiet and low-profile then??
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Quite soon it'll be on Slashdot, if it's not there already...

It's amazing the amount of effort dedicated at breaking the iTMS DRM. I guess that tells something about its popularity compared to other stores.

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Quite soon it'll be on Slashdot, if it's not there already...
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It is now:
[a href="http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/18/1324235]http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/18/1324235[/url]
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.

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Not concidering the clearly legal violations for a moment, I must say it is an impressive feat Jon and his friends have accomplished.

However I fail to see what Jon is trying to prove here, except that he is brilliant at code breaking.

The PyMusique executable is only available for Windows, so it is not about giving non-Mac OS and non-Windows user access to iTMS.

Besides that Apple has the most liberal usage right of all the companies offering DRM controlled downloads and the best sounding compression.

By attacking Apple DRM I can only see that the record companies turn to Microsoft DRM instead as I don't beleive they will give up selling downloaded music.

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*yawns* People don't even care what DRM is, they burn it onto a CD and rerip it etc. Do you think Apple store would be successful at all if the purchased music was unplayable on anything but iPod+iTunes ?

I don't see what the big deal is: you still have to pay for the tunes using this new interface. There's always hymn to achieve the same goal.
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By attacking Apple DRM I can only see that the record companies turn to Microsoft DRM instead as I don't beleive they will give up selling downloaded music. :cry:
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This is imho a short-sighted argument. The only way to force companies to loosen/give up DRM is to either break it over and over, or boycott it. Obviously, you've got to start somewhere. Only focus on breaking MS-DRM in turn would make the most popular DRM-method right now - the one used in iTunes - stronger... and therefore strenghten the already most powerful DRM-provider. That doesn't seem like a wise strategy. If apples DRM should become weaker and MS-DRM stronger (in terms of marketshare), then MS is the next one to feel the futility of DRM - simple as that. So, i disagree with your argument completely: attacking the DRM-provider which is currently most powerful is exactly the right thing to do.

- Lyx
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

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Will this software allow me to purchase songs even if I am not in a "supported" country?
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The only way to force companies to loosen/give up DRM is to either break it over and over, or boycott it. Obviously, you've got to start somewhere. Only focus on breaking MS-DRM in turn would make the most popular DRM-method right now - the one used in iTunes - stronger... and therefore strenghten the already most powerful DRM-provider. That doesn't seem like a wise strategy. If apples DRM should become weaker and MS-DRM stronger (in terms of marketshare), then MS is the next one to feel the futility of DRM - simple as that. So, i disagree with your argument completely: attacking the DRM-provider which is currently most powerful is exactly the right thing to do.
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So this is a crusade against DRM, in what ever form it takes.

Do you really think that no matter what DRM scheme comes allong it will eventually be broken?

Although history so far proven this to be the case I still haven't seen MS DRM cracked.

Furthermore the Blue ray consortium is going to develop even harder to crack DRM before movies begin appearing on HD DVD.

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Will this software allow me to purchase songs even if I am not in a "supported" country?
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No. You need to provide a credit card number, and the system checks if that number is from an account located at the supported country.

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Furthermore the Blue ray consortium is going to develop even harder to crack DRM before movies begin appearing on HD DVD.[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=283333"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


No need to talk about Blu-ray. Even DVD-Audio DRM hasn't been broken to this date.

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So this is a crusade against DRM, in what ever form it takes.

It is - like everything - about power and forces. DRM in its current form has only disadvantages for the users and no advantages. Unless the users are completely braindead, they will of course fight it.

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Do you really think that no matter what DRM scheme comes allong it will eventually be broken?

Although history so far proven this to be the case I still haven't seen MS DRM cracked.

Furthermore the Blue ray consortium is going to develop even harder to crack DRM before movies begin appearing on HD DVD.
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As long as it can be played back, it can be recorded.

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Will this software allow me to purchase songs even if I am not in a "supported" country?
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how does Apple know where you come from?
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Will this software allow me to purchase songs even if I am not in a "supported" country?
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No. You need to provide a credit card number, and the system checks if that number is from an account located at the supported country.
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Then Roberto? How can I buy tracks?

I am pretty sure you figured this one out already... 
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The PyMusique executable is only available for Windows, so it is not about giving non-Mac OS and non-Windows user access to iTMS.[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=283322"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

It's written in Python using PyGTK2 and twisted, so it should run under at least Linux, BSD and Mac OS X.
"To understand me, you'll have to swallow a world." Or maybe your words.

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Will this software allow me to purchase songs even if I am not in a "supported" country?
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how does Apple know where you come from?
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Black magic 

I think it has something to do with OS info, or IP adress, or credit card info, as Roberto said.
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Unless the users are completely braindead...
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So now I and all the other millions of customers in iTMS, Napster etc. are braindead?

Now what is that signature you use... "The majority is wrong"

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As long as it can be played back, it can be recorded.
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Sure but it will take up more storage and will suffer a performance degradation when recompressed.

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Will this software allow me to purchase songs even if I am not in a "supported" country?
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how does Apple know where you come from?
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Black magic 

I think it has something to do with OS info, or IP adress, or credit card info, as Roberto said.
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I don't think it's the OS info nor the IP-address...credit card info would make sense, but is also easy to bypass...just get a credit card from a different country...but I don't think it's worth it...I wouldn't even take that iTunes stuff if I got it for free...
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LAME + Joint Stereo doesn't destroy 'Stereo'

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Unless the users are completely braindead...
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So now I and all the other millions of customers in iTMS, Napster etc. are braindead?

Now what is that signature you use... "The majority is wrong"


I am responsible for what i say, but not for what you (want to) understand.

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As long as it can be played back, it can be recorded.
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Sure but it will take up more storage and will suffer a performance degradation when recompressed.
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You're avoiding a direct discussion when your arguments are evaluated - are you aware of that?

- Lyx
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

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[how does Apple know where you come from?


Your credit card number identifies the issuing bank and hence the country.

If you have a US credit card you can access iTMS from any country and buy songs.

Napster and MusicMatch use your ip-address to determine your country and does not allow Americans abroad to buy songs.

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Then Roberto? How can I buy tracks?

I am pretty sure you figured this one out already... 
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Sure. Cross the border and open an account at an american bank

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[I am responsible for what i say, but not for what you (want to) understand.
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So lets talk about the disadvantages of DRM

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So lets talk about the disadvantages of DRM
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Sure. The basic idea why DRM is interesting to corporations is to restrict the use of the media for the users. The lock-in effect(you cannot use your bought wares freely with other whatever portable or software player or other equipment you have) in that sense is even something which is appreciated by some manufacturers like apple and microsoft. So that means that corporations currently don't just use DRM to restrict use, they use it to forcefully tie the user to them. One could argument that in the future, some standards may be implemented to allow playback on a multitute of playback-devices - but the very principle of what DRM does will make it impossible to make fair-use perfect.

This is because DRM works like a "whitelist" and not like a "blacklist": the target platform is first guilty until otherwise proven. So, in short: the idea of DRM _is_ to not be perfect and restrict fair-use - otherwise, it couldn't safely restrict illegal use.

The bottom line is that DRM is primarily good for corporations and secondarily for the good of users. Thus, DRM is made to benefit corporations, not users.

However, because the idea of DRM is an illusion (it will always be crackable or circumventable) it doesn't even work: The casual user will get the restrictions, while for the techies, its only an annoyance - but no restriction. It may be interesting to note that this basically (just like so other processes currently happening) criminalizes everyone who enforces fair-use with DRMed media - which in turn means that every user who doesn't bow down becomes criminal.

- Lyx
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

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[how does Apple know where you come from?

Napster and MusicMatch use your ip-address to determine your country and does not allow Americans abroad to buy songs.
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unless you use a proxy server  - which could be also your PC at home...
--alt-presets are there for a reason! These other switches DO NOT work better than it, trust me on this.
LAME + Joint Stereo doesn't destroy 'Stereo'

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credit card info would make sense, but is also easy to bypass...just get a credit card from a different country...