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  • beowulf7
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[Discussion] List of recommended LAME settings
Reply #175
OK, I just ran lame from the command line for the first time.  Previously, I used to encode my music as CBR via the LAME plug-in that I have for GoldWave.  Anyway, here's the output.  Can someone help me interpret what LR and MS mean?  Thanks.

C:\Program Files\LAME>lame -V 2 --vbr-new "<directory_path\file_name.wav>" "<directory_path\file_name.mp3>"
LAME version 3.96.1 (http://lame.sourceforge.net/)
CPU features: MMX (ASM used), 3DNow! (ASM used), SSE, SSE2
Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 18671 Hz - 19205 Hz
Encoding <directory_path\file_name.wav>
      to <directory_path\file_name.mp3>
Encoding as 44.1 kHz VBR(q=2) j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (ca. 7.3x) qval=3
    Frame          |  CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU |    ETA
167050/167052(100%)|    4:42/    4:42|    4:42/    4:42|  15.447x|    0:00
32 [    31] *
128 [  2564] %***
160 [ 16901] %%*******************
192 [ 43138] %%%%%%%***********************************************
224 [ 53440] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%***************************************************
256 [ 35980] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%***************************
320 [ 14999] %%%%%%%%%%%%*******
average: 223.3 kbps  LR: 42165 (25.24%)  MS: 124888 (74.76%)

Writing LAME Tag...done
ReplayGain: -7.7dB

C:\Program Files\LAME>

  • stephanV
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Reply #176
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Can I use the recommended settings for LAME 3.97 that's stickied in this forum for my LAME 3.96.1?

You can use anything you want, but its not recommended. 

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Can someone help me interpret what LR and MS mean?


Left-Right stereo and Mid-Side stereo. Two different ways of representing stereo sound, sometimes one is more effiecient than the other.
  • Last Edit: 27 October, 2005, 03:20:47 AM by stephanV
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  • user
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Reply #177
suggestion: I don't see any mention of encoding audio books/speeches/mono sources. I tried several versions in the 3.93 days of vbr, abr and cbr with different settings, sampling frequencies, low pass filters etc. and could never match --preset-voice. It sounds awesome and gives about 25x compression. I'd like to see this setting in the guide.

Is there such a preset working in 3.97b1 ?
Does it deliver the best for the goal/bitrate ?
of course, then it belongs to the recommended settings.
Can you give the necessary informations regarding averaged bitrates, if it is mono or not ?
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  • Gabriel
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Reply #178
--preset voice is only available in the command line front-end, and is there for compatibility.
It is currently mapped to --abr 56 -mm, so that means that the recommendation would be to encode in mono, and use abr. As simple as that.

  • beowulf7
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Reply #179
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Can I use the recommended settings for LAME 3.97 that's stickied in this forum for my LAME 3.96.1?

You can use anything you want, but its not recommended. 

OK, haha, you're right, I can use anything I guess.  But what would the recommended settings be for LAME 3.96.1 to be roughly equivalent to 3.97's -V2 setting?  Thanks.

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Can someone help me interpret what LR and MS mean?


Left-Right stereo and Mid-Side stereo. Two different ways of representing stereo sound, sometimes one is more effiecient than the other.
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Thanks, that makes sense.  I guess it's for statistical purposes only, and to me, the #s dont' mean much until I can compare it with other compressions.

  • stephanV
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Reply #180
Lame 3.96.1 also has the -V setting right? So use -V 2 or -V 3 (whatever fits your bit rate needs better) and be happy
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  • Pearson
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Reply #181
This is quoted from the 'Quick Start' section of the "List of recommended LAME settings" thread:

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Very low bitrate, small sizes: eg. for voice, radio, mono encoding etc.
--abr xx (e.g. --abr 80)


Shouldn't there be a suggested setting for mono encoding in "High Quality" as well? There are good mono recordings that would be served by a HQ mono setting. From the recommendation above it sounds as if mono should be encoded with abr.

In the old days I think there was some kind of (albeit weak) consensus that -m m -b 80 could be added to the old --preset standard setting for mono encoding. Does this work OK with 3.97 as well?

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Reply #182
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In the old days I think there was some kind of (albeit weak) consensus that -m m -b 80 could be added to the old --preset standard setting for mono encoding. Does this work OK with 3.97 as well?
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-b80 is not necessary anymore with -vbr-new mode. But with the other VBR mode, I think that -b128 is still here by default. Therefore, -b80 should be worth.



EDIT: typo.
  • Last Edit: 31 October, 2005, 07:15:31 PM by guruboolez

  • Pearson
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Reply #183
Thanks for the clarification!

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Reply #184
In lame 3.97b does it store the setting used like the lame 3.90.3 modified compile did? In other words, if -V 2 = APS will the lameheader file indicate V2/APS was used somewhere?

On a diff note if V2 = APS on this compile then why do they get different bitrate avgs?

  • Jojo
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Reply #185
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In lame 3.97b does it store the setting used like the lame 3.90.3 modified compile did? In other words, if -V 2 = APS will the lameheader file indicate V2/APS was used somewhere?

yes, this fuction was introduced in one of the recent lame releases and was backported to the old and unefficient Lame 3.90.3 release.
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On a diff note if V2 = APS on this compile then why do they get different bitrate avgs?
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no, --preset standard and -V2 produces the exact same file (therefore same bitrate).
  • Last Edit: 03 November, 2005, 02:13:14 AM by Jojo
--alt-presets are there for a reason! These other switches DO NOT work better than it, trust me on this.
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  • burnett_s
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Reply #186
Hi everybody,

By default, ReplayGain analysis is enabled afaik it is not compatible with foobar's RG tag and portable mp3 players. So, wouldn't be better to add --noreplaygain to the command line to disable ReplayGain analysis and prevent LAME from applying gain to each track individually instead of to the album as a whole ?
Encoding a live or mixed album track by track, not as an image, with this command line option enabled isn't such a good idea, isn't it? 

ReplayGain disabled: -V2 --vbr-new --noreplaygain

EAC's command line with replaygain disabled:
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-V 2 --vbr-new --noreplaygain  --ignore-tag-errors --add-id3v2 --pad-id3v2 --ta "%a" --tt "%t" --tl "%g" --ty "%y" --tn "%n" --tg "%m" %s %d


Please correct me if I'm wrong 

Greetings

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  • Last Edit: 05 November, 2005, 02:52:49 AM by burnett_s
Greetings
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  • Madrigal
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Reply #187
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Hi everybody,

By default, ReplayGain analysis is enabled afaik it is not compatible with foobar's RG tag and portable mp3 players. So, wouldn't be better to add --noreplaygain to the command line to disable ReplayGain analysis and prevent LAME from applying gain to each track individually instead of to the album as a whole ?
Encoding a live or mixed album track by track, not as an image, with this command line option enabled isn't such a good idea, isn't it? 

ReplayGain disabled: -V2 --vbr-new --noreplaygain

EAC's command line with replaygain disabled:
Code: [Select]
-V 2 --vbr-new --noreplaygain  --ignore-tag-errors --add-id3v2 --pad-id3v2 --ta "%a" --tt "%t" --tl "%g" --ty "%y" --tn "%n" --tg "%m" %s %d


Please correct me if I'm wrong 

Greetings

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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought LAME's replaygain analysis was for screen display only, during operation, and had nothing at all to do with applying gain to the tracks themselves. I have confirmed this to myself several times, using Mp3Gain.

That said, use of the --noreplaygain switch can still be useful. In my case at least, it speeds up the encoding process considerably.

Regards,
Madrigal

  • kjoonlee
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Reply #188
RG metadata is written to the LAME/INFO tag. The only program that I know of that uses that info is Otachan's in_mpg123.

  • Gabriel
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Reply #189
It is also used by Madplay.

  • Madrigal
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Reply #190
@kjoonlee & Gabriel:

Thanks for the clarification.

Regards,
Madrigal

  • beowulf7
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Reply #191
Now that I'm using LAME 3.97 beta (despite my paranoia of beta software), I'm wondering if it's worth using --preset extreme (VBR) over --preset standard (VBR).  In a double-blind test, is the slight difference in quality discernable by a good pair of ears?  Thanks.
  • Last Edit: 06 November, 2005, 01:12:23 PM by beowulf7

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Reply #192
Great, Lame 3.97b2 has come out,
from changelog, it seems obvious to me, to recommend it instead of 3.97b1.
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  • Shade[ST]
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Reply #193
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Now that I'm using LAME 3.97 beta (despite my paranoia of beta software), I'm wondering if it's worth using --preset extreme (VBR) over --preset standard (VBR).  In a double-blind test, is the slight difference in quality discernable by a good pair of ears?  Thanks.
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to make a quick answer, probably not, but you can check yourself.

  • VCSkier
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Reply #194
for me v2 is transparent on all but a very few, extreme problem samples...  i dont recall which ones at the moment, but in real music situations, i have yet to find a sample that i can abx.
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  • Echizen
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Reply #195
For me V3 is almost transparent and it gives a good balance between quality and file size.
  • Last Edit: 28 November, 2005, 03:42:52 PM by Echizen

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Reply #196
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Great, Lame 3.97b2 has come out,
from changelog, it seems obvious to me, to recommend it instead of 3.97b1.
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[a href="http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Lame_Encoder.htm]You're right.[/url]  But I'd still like official recommendation from this forum before I upgrade the encoder.  LAME 3.98 is also in its alpha 2 state, but who knows when it will hit beta.

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Reply #197
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Great, Lame 3.97b2 has come out,
from changelog, it seems obvious to me, to recommend it instead of 3.97b1.
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[a href="http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Lame_Encoder.htm]You're right.[/url]  But I'd still like official recommendation from this forum before I upgrade the encoder.  LAME 3.98 is also in its alpha 2 state, but who knows when it will hit beta.
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IMHO, official recommendation should be updated to use LAME 3.97 beta 2 instead of beta 1 as the recommended LAME encoder version.

Gr.
Gonzalo
Greetings
Sonny Burnett.

  • beowulf7
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Reply #198
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Great, Lame 3.97b2 has come out,
from changelog, it seems obvious to me, to recommend it instead of 3.97b1.
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[a href="http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Lame_Encoder.htm]You're right.[/url]  But I'd still like official recommendation from this forum before I upgrade the encoder.  LAME 3.98 is also in its alpha 2 state, but who knows when it will hit beta.
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IMHO, official recommendation should be updated to use LAME 3.97 beta 2 instead of beta 1 as the recommended LAME encoder version.

Gr.
Gonzalo
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I PM'd "user" about it, so hopefully he'll update the first post of the thread and that someone will change the link from that 3rd sticky in this forum.

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Reply #199
You can add Tag&Rename to the Tagging Software section...

Very good software!

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