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Lame 3.97 Alpha 7 Testing Thread

abr/cbr: enabled ath adjustement
vbr new: adjustement of scalefactors allocation
vbr old from 9 to 4: adjustements.


Regarding vbr, I'd be interested by preset medium results compared to previous versions. If results are positives, I'll perhaps apply the same settings to preset standard.


Results from 3.97a6:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=30631

edit: -q1 and -q0 should now work properly

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Reply #1
The changes sound interesting...

Too bad I will we working the whole weekend and I am away from my computer and Sennheisers

Hope that Guruboolez has some time 
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Reply #2
By the way, it is not at Rarewares...
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Reply #3
Yes, is there a link to 3.97 a7? It is not at rarewares.


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By the way, it is not at Rarewares...
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It is now!!!!  Forgive me for having a life away from HA and Rarewares, I was away overnight!!!
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Reply #6
@john33:

Thank you, john33, for all your innovations, hard work, and overall contributions to the audio community.  You are very much appreciated.

Regards,
Madrigal

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Forgive me for having a life away from HA and Rarewares, I was away overnight!!!


You did not get the memo? You are not allowed a life. Only devotion to digital audio. 

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You did not get the memo? You are not allowed a life. Only devotion to digital audio. 
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20 lashes with a wet noodle. :B

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Reply #10
I'd better not comment. You guys amaze me...

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Reply #11
Does 3.97 --decode recognize and process replaygain information if available ?

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Reply #12
Since my brother has better ears than me, I let him do an ABX test of lame 3.96.1 versus lame 3.97a7 with:  --preset medium --vbr-new. Personally I've tried and tried and never ever could distinguish both files from original.

The sample I used is from the cd : Judas Priest - Turbo Lover, track 6: Out in the cold. I chose this sample because the recording is not too loud (replaygain -3db) and quite a lot instruments occur at the same time. Although he initially chose the wav file as the mp3, he was able to ABX the difference (p = 10/13 = 0.046). That is for lame 3.97a7. He wasn't able to abx the 3.96.1 one though. Still he gave the latest alpha a 4.5 out of 5. In fact he was quite impressed that mp3 could sound so well  .

Now the strange thing is that the 3.96.1 encode was at much less bitrate than the 3.97a7 one. The 3.97a6 file was 128kbit/s (vbr) and the 3.97a7 file was 154 kbps. I find this difference to be significant. Of course this is only based on one track, but I found the bitrate 'inflation' to be quite constant for several tracks I tried. I guess everybody was hoping for improvement, sorry for reporting the bad news..
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Reply #13
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Since my brother has better ears than me, I let him do an ABX test of lame 3.96.1 versus lame 3.97a7 with: --preset medium --vbr-new.

I would advise you to use either "--preset fast medium" or "-V4 --vbr-new" but not "--preset medium --vbr-new".
--preset are applying their internal parameters immediately, so "--preset medium" is applying the parameters for "normal" medium preset. After, you add --vbr-new. On initialisation, the correct parameters for -V4 --vbr-new will not be used as they have already been changed from their default status.

On the other hand, if you use "--preset fast medium", the preset will know that it will be used with vbr-new, and will apply proper parameters.
If you use "--vbr-new -V4" or "-V4 --vbr-new" you will also be fine.

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Reply #14
This will probably explain the strange results, I'll see if I can get another test.
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Reply #15
Scalefactor fix for vbr-new is nice. I've seen some files shrink by almost half between 397a7 and earlier versions.

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Since my brother has better ears than me, I let him do an ABX test of lame 3.96.1 versus lame 3.97a7 with: --preset medium --vbr-new.

I would advise you to use either "--preset fast medium" or "-V4 --vbr-new" but not "--preset medium --vbr-new".
--preset are applying their internal parameters immediately, so "--preset medium" is applying the parameters for "normal" medium preset. After, you add --vbr-new. On initialisation, the correct parameters for -V4 --vbr-new will not be used as they have already been changed from their default status.

On the other hand, if you use "--preset fast medium", the preset will know that it will be used with vbr-new, and will apply proper parameters.
If you use "--vbr-new -V4" or "-V4 --vbr-new" you will also be fine.
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Gabriel,
proposed V4 gives rather too low bitrates, around 165. How about V3, which is very near to 192?

Regards,

Crzmn

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Reply #17
The current V4 (in 3.97a7) is much more usable than the old one in terms of bitrate. Before there was a huge jump between V5 and V4; sometimes V4 used as many bits as the old 3.90.3 APS. Now the bitrate scale is more linear. Switching from -X 3,3 to -X 9,9 was a good move I think...of course, it's too early to comment on quality.

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Reply #18
I would like to add one point to the list to test with current alpha:

I am interested in testsamples where "-V2 --vbr-new" is ABX'able to "-V2 --vbr-new -b32"

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Reply #19
Wow the alpha7 is producing much smaller files sizes at the -V4 setting I usually encode at. For example I just encoded Nirvana (MTV Unplugged in NY) and the album average bit rate was only 148kbps compared with 170kbps with 3.96.1 using the same -V4 setting.

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Reply #20
take a look at EncSpot for a file encoded with Lame 3.97 alpha 7 with --alt-preset standard:
 
The lowpass filter shows 18600, I thought usually was the filter on 19000

Is this a bug of EncSpot or a new experimental setting? 

Will you perhaps use the new lowpass filter frequency in the following stable versions? 

greetings memomai
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Reply #21
Subj lame vs one_love.wav
foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/02/13 18:06:33

File A: file://D:\Program Files\foobar2000\one_love.wav
File B: file://D:\Program Files\foobar2000\_ - _.MP3

18:06:33 : Test started.
18:06:53 : 01/01  50.0%
18:07:01 : 02/02  25.0%
18:07:09 : 03/03  12.5%
18:07:20 : 04/04  6.3%
18:07:31 : 05/05  3.1%
18:07:37 : 06/06  1.6%
18:07:44 : 07/07  0.8%
18:07:49 : 08/08  0.4%
18:07:58 : 09/09  0.2%
18:08:03 : 10/10  0.1%
18:08:20 : 11/11  0.0%
18:08:25 : Test finished.

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Total: 11/11 (0.0%)

EDIT: I've forgotten to specify lame settings: -V2 --vbr-new

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Reply #22
please, make the sample available somewhere.

What exactly did you test here? Is it a -V2 --vbr-new against -V2 --vbr-new -b32 test??

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Reply #23
Thanks, Seymour.

@ beto: I asked him here to abx. you find the sample in that thread too.

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Reply #24
@ robert: i found this sample ABX'able very easily with the settings marked above by me (as at low frequency (some wobble bass at first 5 secs) so at high frequency (tone practically masked by first "clap" sound)).
But for example I couldn't find difference (sincerely without hard listening work ) at LAME --alt-preset insane v3.90.3. I tried it just for interest.

 
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