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what is overburning?

Hello,
I need to burn the CD with 80 min 45 seconds of music, which is above capacity of the regular CD (79 min and whatever seconds). Checked the web, and so some '90 minutes CDs' bu they mention it will require 'overburning' such as Nero Burning ROm (which I have). My major concern - what is overburning anyway? Will I be able to play such CDR on a regular CD player?

TIA.

what is overburning?

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I need to burn the CD with 80 min 45 seconds of music, which is above capacity of the regular CD (79 min and whatever seconds).

this is no problem at all, the data will fit onto your regular 700mb/80min cd, as long as your burner supports overburning (nearly all newer and not-so-new ones do).
generally, as a rule of thumb, you are able to fit a few more mb on the cd than it officillay can hold. from my experience, up to 10 mb more is not a problem at all.

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Will I be able to play such CDR on a regular CD player?
yes.
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what is overburning?

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Will I be able to play such CDR on a regular CD player?
yes.

For a slightly overburned 80 mins CD-R this should be no problem. But how is the situation with e.g. a 99 mins audio CD-R? I haven't tried this myself, but I think Redbook standard specifies 80 mins as max for a standard CD. Which probably means a 99 mins CD won't play in (most?) standalone CD players?

Just a thought that struck me reading this post. Sorry for being to tired/lazy to do a proper search/research myself right now.... just wondered if maybe anybody tried this at home.... 
"ONLY THOSE WHO ATTEMPT THE IMPOSSIBLE WILL ACHIEVE THE ABSURD"
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From my experience, most CDs and other data carriers have a slightly higher capacity than they seem to have. My 80 mins CDs, for example, have a capacity of 80min 59sec. Perhaps you just must use other CDs.
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I haven't tried this myself, but I think Redbook standard specifies 80 mins as max for a standard CD.

I thought it was 74 minutes, and that the music industry themselves have "stretched, or breaked the rules" of the original standards. I could be wrong.

I've made several CD's that hover just under 80 minutes, however I haven't went over that mark. Some portable players such as boom-boxes do have considerable difficulty reading CD's over the 74 minute mark, and the disc has to be ejected and re-inserted. The problem can also mean that manually skipping to the next track can be difficult and cause a significant delay ("10 seconds").

On a side note, the only major problem I've seen with homemade audio CD's is when using a separately purchased CD label (a bad ideal for audio CD's). Whenever I've used a CD label the disc quickly becomes unplayable in any CD player once the disc is heated up, also once the disc is heated up it is almost unrippable due to the amount of error correction.

what is overburning?

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Thanks for all the feedback.

Unfortunately since I've posted the question I've learned that CD writer I use actually does NOT support overburning. Somebody has recommended to use Nero to test it, and Nero reported that it does not. (it is TEAC model, don't remember exactly which one).

So I've ended up doing some WAV file editing, eliminated trailing silence and some of the applauses and managed to trim it down just under 2 seconds under the max limit of 80 minute CD (which is something like 79 minutes and 59.something seconds, I believe).

what is overburning?

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Thanks for all the feedback.

Unfortunately since I've posted the question I've learned that CD writer I use actually does NOT support overburning. Somebody has recommended to use Nero to test it, and Nero reported that it does not. (it is TEAC model, don't remember exactly which one).

So I've ended up doing some WAV file editing, eliminated trailing silence and some of the applauses and managed to trim it down just under 2 seconds under the max limit of 80 minute CD (which is something like 79 minutes and 59.something seconds, I believe).

Sorry to hear that... it's a bummer - with only 45 secs to overburn it should'a been a cakewalk... and sorry for my ill informed posting but as far as i can find now searching the 74 mins Redbook standard of the 70's was set by some big shot executive at a boardmeeting deciding that a cd ought to be able to keep Beethoven's 9th--- hence 74 mins, but later moved to 80 mins,,,,
"ONLY THOSE WHO ATTEMPT THE IMPOSSIBLE WILL ACHIEVE THE ABSURD"
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and Nero reported that it does not. (it is TEAC model, don't remember exactly which one).

All TEAC drives, even the first ones, support overburning, except the DVD burners or the ones for portables.
You can check their features (like overburning) here:
http://www.feurio.de/English/cd_writer.shtml

Nero isn't accurate when detecting if a drive can overburn, and it's not a very nice program to overburn.

BTW, if you want to burn less than 81:30s, the best option is to use a 80 minutes CDR and use the leadout for storing audio data.
They work in most players. I think that using 90 minutes would be a worse option.