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Like Button

  Hello.

Is it possible to implement "Like" Button in forum?  It's very useful  and handy to distinguish someone good ideas and posts.

What do you think?

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Reply #1 –
When Mr. Dense likes posts of Mrs. Silly all day long i doubt there is value in this information. Saw this already on different forms of platforms.
Is troll-adiposity coming from feederism?
With 24bit music you can listen to silence much louder!

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Reply #2 –
That's as maybe, but it's also useful to be able to thank somebody for their contribution without having to add a post to say so!
It's your privilege to disagree, but that doesn't make you right and me wrong.

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Reply #3 –
I mod on a forum that used to have both like and dislike buttons - the dislike button was removed fairly quickly as it was used by those who oppose a particular user's position to nuke their forum reputation metric.

The like button still exists though - and it's relatively innocuous (as well as letting any user see who has liked a particular post, which can be quite revealing).

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Reply #4 –
imo, every forum needs a "Thank you" button (or "like" etc), this saves space and is adequate for the small things. Someone asks "yes or no", someone else answers, no need for a full reply "Thank you" to mess with the thread.

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Reply #5 –
If responses are meant to be matter-of-fact, Likes seem more like opinions to me. Social media-style interaction can breed expectations or be spammed as any button for attention. I don't think a genuine "Thank you so much" in text messes with anything. There are of course forums with arrows for "helpful" or "not helpful", but HA has never quite needed them how people contribute in various ways in text and additional research, has it?

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Reply #6 –
Quote from: Squeller on
imo, every forum needs a "Thank you" button (or "like" etc), this saves space and is adequate for the small things. Someone asks "yes or no", someone else answers, no need for a full reply "Thank you" to mess with the thread.
Nevertheless, I still think the "+1" post has its charms though.
• The older, the lossier
• Listen to the music, not the media it's on.

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Reply #8 –
+1  :D
• The older, the lossier
• Listen to the music, not the media it's on.

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Reply #9 –
as a democrat, i favor having both like and dislike, if some people are put off, such indicators could optionally be hidden

my concern is for HA, the administration would be an unnecessary burden and a distraction
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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Reply #10 –
There's often situations, where you really just want to indicate "OK, I've noticed it". Eg a devs gives an important notice. Threads, where important information is mixed with "ok thx" comments. It's rather sweet and effective if they don't have to appear.

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Reply #11 –
Quote from: 2tec on
as a democrat, i favor having both like and dislike, if some people are put off, such indicators could optionally be hidden

my concern is for HA, the administration would be an unnecessary burden and a distraction

I absolutely oppose having the dislike button. For "bad" posts containing insults/obscenities or anything like that, there's the report button.

Everywhere it exists, it solely used to silence and cancel the people who have a different opinion than the crowd inhabiting a particular place.

The most prominent examples are of course Reddit and Ars Technica.

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Reply #12 –
Quote from: Nick.C on
I mod on a forum that used to have both like and dislike buttons - the dislike button was removed fairly quickly as it was used by those who oppose a particular user's position to nuke their forum reputation metric.

The like button still exists though - and it's relatively innocuous (as well as letting any user see who has liked a particular post, which can be quite revealing).
Agree, separate indicator of dislike vote number is dangerous to have.
Possible intermedium workaround is to have an indicator of sum of positive and negative votes as reddit has 
https://www.reddit.com/r/AV1/comments/1gquxp3/better_late_than_never_svtav1_v22x_deep_dive/
I really like it.

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Reply #13 –
Quote from: birdie on
Everywhere it exists, it solely used to silence and cancel the people who have a different opinion than the crowd inhabiting a particular place.
That's assuming a lot. Critical or negative feedback is often more useful than positive feedback. People have just as much right to express a negative vote if there's an opportunity for a positive one, otherwise it's just a popularity contest.

and here I thought this was an 'objective' forum.

Just saying
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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Reply #14 –
Quote from: 2tec on
That's assuming a lot. Critical or negative feedback is often more useful than positive feedback. People have just as much right to express a negative vote if there's an opportunity for a positive one, otherwise it's just a popularity contest.

and here I thought this was an 'objective' forum.

Just saying

You really don't understand the meaning of the word to cancel/silence people. OK then.

You also absolutely mistakenly believe that the crowd can vote rationally and oh boy I've seen far too many instances where it's not true.

"Rational crowd", my a$$.

Have you known that people in the crowd are more likely to think irrationally and do things which can be considered outright inhuman? Looks like you know f-knot about that. Learn some psychology and put your democratic downvoting where the light never shines. Sorry, it it sounded rude I didn't mean to, and I apologize in advance but you really don't understand the menacing dumbness of people in a group. Perhaps you've never seen or attended Trump's campaign rallies. I recommend that you do it right away. You really could learn a lot.

I also have first-hand experience of sites that have completely removed downvoting, and as a result comments became much more neutral and rational.

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Reply #15 –
Also, please allow me to cite ChatGPT because you think too much of crowds:

    Deindividuation: This occurs when individuals in a crowd lose their sense of self-awareness and personal accountability, leading to behavior they might not engage in alone. It can result in actions like vandalism or aggression.

    Groupthink: Though more common in decision-making groups than crowds, this occurs when the desire for conformity or harmony within a group leads to irrational or harmful decisions.

    Contagion Theory: Proposed by Gustave Le Bon, it suggests that emotions and behaviors can spread rapidly in crowds, leading to heightened irrationality or destructive behavior.

    Social Identity Theory: In some cases, crowd behavior is influenced by shared identities, where individuals act according to what they perceive as group norms, even if these norms promote harmful behavior.

    Mass Hysteria: This involves the spread of panic, fear, or excitement in a group, leading to irrational and sometimes harmful actions.

These situations are typically referred to as instances of collective behavior, where normal individual restraints are overridden by the dynamics of the group.

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Reply #16 –
Also, did you know that Reddit has recently started to hide up/downvotes for new posts for around two hours just to avoid mass/mindless downvoting/upvoting? No? You really have to learn a bit or two about group psychology and how dangerous it is.

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Reply #17 –
It's only dangerous to those who are affected by such trivia.
It's your privilege to disagree, but that doesn't make you right and me wrong.

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Reply #18 –
I am against having a like button here. So, -1 from me.

While I agree that it can be useful as a "thank you" substitute, it also creates bad incentives and pushes people toward crowd pleasing posts, which are factually wrong or lacking in substance. You end up with heavily liked posts that distract from the truth and make the whole place look a bit dumber. I've seen this many times and not just on Reddit.

I would only support a "likes" system that is anonymous/invisible to third parties and works behind the scenes. So the poster gets notified of the received likes, but nobody else sees them. I don't think the current HA forum software (ElkArte) supports this, however.

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Reply #19 –
-+1
What is the opposite of music? ~ Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

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Reply #20 –
Quote from: Brand on
I would only support a "likes" system that is anonymous/invisible to third parties and works behind the scenes. So the poster gets notified of the received likes, but nobody else sees them. I don't think the current HA forum software (ElkArte) supports this, however.
That nullifies the point, IMO.
It's your privilege to disagree, but that doesn't make you right and me wrong.

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Reply #21 –
Herd behaviour or not, and based on what I've seen in other established forums, especially those with demographics similar to HA in terms of longevity and user age groups, having a "like" button doesn't seem to have degraded their discussion quality.

Take cloudynights.com, for example - an astronomy community that seems to have maintained high-quality conversations over the years despite having such feature.

Just to illustrate my point, take this thread I created there over 6 years ago, under a different username, and which is still actively updated:

While less than 10 users have clicked the "Like" button on it - or haven't changed their minds later on by clicking on "Unlike" - the discussion has remained meaningful and engaged - with not apparent click bait or desperate attempt at calling everyone's attention being made along those years or OTOH, users having decided to stop engaging with it because its like-ratio is not that high, as there were many repeats of same users reporting back on their night sky findings.
• The older, the lossier
• Listen to the music, not the media it's on.

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Reply #22 –
Quote from: Brand on
it also creates bad incentives and pushes people toward crowd pleasing posts, which are factually wrong or lacking in substance
a) That kind of crazy people we have here? That would be bad b) 2024 HA is not about "crowds". :-D

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Reply #23 –
Fix the forum search instead, so it is possible to find back the valuable posts.
A "like" button will be used at war on Mr. Dense and Mrs. Silly, and that everyday use will drown whatever you would like to retrieve next year.

And sure I have longed for a spam filter lately, but then I would want my spam filter, not a bully tool.


(Hm if the forum doesn't have anything better than google to search, ... what about removing the b0rken search rather than pretend it works?)
 

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Reply #24 –
Quote from: birdie on
You really don't understand the meaning of the word to cancel/silence people. OK then.

You also absolutely mistakenly believe that the crowd can vote rationally and oh boy I've seen far too many instances where it's not true.

"Rational crowd", my a$$.
First off, I do understand and it's rude of you to claim I don't. Nor am I mistaken about people voting rationally, clearly it happens all the time.  :(

Hydrogen Audio is supposed to be a refuge for objectivity and rationality. If the truth hurts, that's good.

In my experience, people who don't like critics are the people with the most to hide and who live in their own fantasies unable to grasp the nettle.

Feedback is good, to pretend otherwise is foolish in my opinion.

If people have to 'argue' by attacking people or their character rather than the argument, that only affirms they don't really have a counter-argument.

The reason like and dislike buttons are useful is the same reason that free speech is. If you don't want to know what people think, I think that's a problem.

Just saying, nothing personal.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?