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What lossy format(s)/bitrate(s) do you use on a regular basis?

MP3 - 112 kbps and less (CBR/ABR/VBR V6 - V9)
MP3 - 128 kbps  (CBR/ABR/VBR V5)
MP3 - 160 kbps  (CBR/ABR/VBR V4)
MP3 - 175 kbps  (CBR/ABR/VBR V3)
MP3 - 192 kbps  (CBR/ABR/VBR V2)
MP3 - 224 kbps  (CBR/ABR/VBR V1)
MP3 - 256 kbps  (CBR/ABR/VBR V0)
MP3 - 320 kbps CBR
AAC or HE-AAC - 32 kbps and less
AAC or HE-AAC - 48 kbps
AAC or HE-AAC - 64 kbps
AAC or HE-AAC - 80 kbps
AAC or HE-AAC - 96 kbps
AAC or HE-AAC - 112 kbps
AAC or HE-AAC - 128 kbps
AAC or HE-AAC - 160 kbps
AAC or HE-AAC - 175 kbps
AAC or HE-AAC - 192 kbps
AAC or HE-AAC - 224 kbps
AAC or HE-AAC - 256 kbps
AAC or HE-AAC - 320 kbps
AAC or HE-AAC - More than 320 kbps
Opus - 32 kbps and less
Opus - 48 kbps
Opus - 64 kbps
Opus - 80 kbps
Opus - 96 kbps
Opus - 112 kbps
Opus - 128 kbps
Opus - 160 kbps
Opus - 175 kbps
Opus - 192 kbps
Opus - 224 kbps
Opus - 256 kbps
Opus - 320 kbps
Opus - More than 320 kbps
Ogg Vorbis - 32 kbps and less
Ogg Vorbis - 48 kbps
Ogg Vorbis - 64 kbps
Ogg Vorbis - 80 kbps
Ogg Vorbis - 96 kbps
Ogg Vorbis - 112 kbps
Ogg Vorbis - 128 kbps
Ogg Vorbis - 160 kbps
Ogg Vorbis - 175 kbps
Ogg Vorbis - 192 kbps
Ogg Vorbis - 224 kbps
Ogg Vorbis - 256 kbps
Ogg Vorbis - 320 kbps
Ogg Vorbis - More than 320 kbps
Musepack MPC - 32 kbps and less
Musepack MPC - 48 kbps
Musepack MPC - 64 kbps
Musepack MPC - 80 kbps
Musepack MPC - 96 kbps
Musepack MPC - 112 kbps
Musepack MPC - 128 kbps
Musepack MPC - 160 kbps
Musepack MPC - 175 kbps
Musepack MPC - 192 kbps
Musepack MPC - 224 kbps
Musepack MPC - 256 kbps
Musepack MPC - 320 kbps
Musepack MPC - More than 320 kbps
xHE-AAC - 32 kbps and less
xHE-AAC - 48 kbps
xHE-AAC - 64 kbps
xHE-AAC - 80 kbps
xHE-AAC - 96 kbps
xHE-AAC - 112 kbps
xHE-AAC - 128 kbps
xHE-AAC - 160 kbps
xHE-AAC - 175 kbps
xHE-AAC - 192 kbps
xHE-AAC - 224 kbps
xHE-AAC - 256 kbps
xHE-AAC - 320 kbps
xHE-AAC - More than 320 kbps
WavPack Lossy/Hybrid (.wv) - 100 kbps or less
WavPack Lossy/Hybrid (.wv) - 200 kbps
WavPack Lossy/Hybrid (.wv) - 300 kbps
WavPack Lossy/Hybrid (.wv) - 400 kbps
WavPack Lossy/Hybrid (.wv) - 500 kbps
WavPack Lossy/Hybrid (.wv) - 600 kbps
WavPack Lossy/Hybrid (.wv) - 700 kbps and more
LossyWAV - 100 kbps or less
LossyWAV - 200 kbps
LossyWAV - 300 kbps
LossyWAV - 400 kbps
LossyWAV - 500 kbps
LossyWAV - 600 kbps
LossyWAV - 700 kbps and more

Voting closes: 2025-02-01 21:16:12

Topic: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy) (Read 6027 times) previous topic - next topic
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Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #1 –
Maximum votes per user: 1
korth

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #2 –
@korth
Is it possible to allow members to vote for a couple of options and not just one?

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #3 –
Yes. Number of votes per user? 2? More? The other poll allows 5.
korth

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #4 –
Can you please change it to 5? Thank you.

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #5 –
Done
korth

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #6 –
Hi there,

Wow, that's a lot of options to choose from! I just wanted to point out that at least two of them might not be relevant:
• WavPack Lossy/Hybrid (.wv) - 100 kbps or less : With CD material, the lowest bitrate is approximately 200 kbps.
• LossyWAV - 100 kbps or less
• LossyWAV - 200 kbps => The lowest bitrate is around 230 or 250 kbps, and I believe this setting is still experimental.

Similarly, I don't see the necessity of introducing such fine granularity at low bitrates with Musepack. It would be more straightforward to categorize it as is done with MP3: 112 kbps and lower (or even 128 kbps and lower). Instead of specifying bitrates, I suggest using the preset names or numbers (e.g., -telephone/-4, -standard/-5, etc.).

This approach might simplify the choices and make it easier for users to select the appropriate settings.
Wavpack Hybrid: one encoder for all scenarios
WavPack -c4.5hx6 (44100Hz & 48000Hz) ≈ 390 kbps + correction file
WavPack -c4hx6 (96000Hz) ≈ 768 kbps + correction file
WavPack -h (SACD & DSD) ≈ 2400 kbps at 2.8224 MHz

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #7 –
Quote from: guruboolez on
• LossyWAV - 100 kbps or less
• LossyWAV - 200 kbps => The lowest bitrate is around 230 or 250 kbps, and I believe this setting is still experimental.
Exactly. There is no bitrate setting in lossyWAV, only quality settings - so the resultant bitrate depends on the particular audio (as well as quality setting, compression settings in the chosen lossless CODEC, etc.).
 

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #8 –
Now I see!

Basically you were just blinded by the green-eyed monster for simply not having a poll to call yours yet!

That explains your OTT rant over there and the half-arsed, rushed, non-existing/imaginary settings options here - amongst the whole 92(!) of them.

Oh, boy!

Edit: Good luck with getting this "sticky on main forum page?"
Edit 2: Gee! Why didn't you say this was such a matter of honour to you in the first place?
I could've easily handled it over to you - just like I offered to take over from IgorC, since we'd been collaborating for a few years back then.
• The older, the lossier
• Listen to the music, not the media it's on.

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #9 –
Went with LAME MP3 at V1 as my personal codec choice, After doing some ABX'ing I fail to tell and It still smaller than V0.
LAME MP3 at V1 | FLAC for archiving |

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #10 –
@guruboolez  @Nick.C
Good point.
I don't mind if admins will remove those not valid options while keeping the current results of poll votes.

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #11 –
Quote from: includemeout on
Now I see!

Basically you were just blinded by the green-eyed monster for simply not having a poll to call yours yet!

That explains your OTT rant over there and the half-arsed, rushed, non-existing/imaginary settings options here - amongst the whole 92(!) of them.

Oh, boy!

Edit: Good luck with getting this "sticky on main forum page?"
Edit 2: Gee! Why didn't you say this was such a matter of honour to you in the first place?
I could've easily handled it over to you - just like I offered to take over from IgorC, since we'd been collaborating for a few years back then.
You are not polite and bully. And you have just attacked me.
It has nothing to do with your poll and you don't even know what this poll result will be used for.  I was planning to re-open such poll a few years ago, it's not even a new one.

You don't know who I am, and my involvement into codecs development and collaboration as you say with  Kamedo2 and IgorC on background. 

It's usual to see some old members bulling a newer as pretending/assuming they have more experience
But be careful to bulling a new comer, because it can be actually somebody  who were here  longer than you and made more for this community than you.

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #12 –
Quote from: btc on
Quote from: includemeout on
Now I see!

Basically you were just blinded by the green-eyed monster for simply not having a poll to call yours yet!

That explains your OTT rant over there and the half-arsed, rushed, non-existing/imaginary settings options here - amongst the whole 92(!) of them.

Oh, boy!

Edit: Good luck with getting this "sticky on main forum page?"
Edit 2: Gee! Why didn't you say this was such a matter of honour to you in the first place?
I could've easily handled it over to you - just like I offered to take over from IgorC, since we'd been collaborating for a few years back then.
You are not polite and bully. And you have just attacked me.
It has nothing to do with your poll and you don't even know what this poll result will be used for.  I was planning to re-open such poll a few years ago, it's not even a new one.

You don't know who I am, and my involvement into codecs development and collaboration as you say with  Kamedo2 and IgorC on background. 

It's usual to see some old members bulling a newer as pretending/assuming they have more experience
But be careful to bulling a new comer, because it can be actually somebody  who were here  longer than you and made more for this community than you.
Grow up, will you?
• The older, the lossier
• Listen to the music, not the media it's on.

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #13 –
I have some songs purchased online that are 320kbps MP3 (Amazon Music) and 256kbps AAC (iTunes Store/Match),
and the songs I converted from CDs use iTunes Plus's 256kbps AAC.

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #14 –
For my target devices, I create mostly AAC, results would be in the 100-220kbps range (technically depends on the music, eg transients etc...., and depends on my chosen conversion). I use q73 .. q109.
I think you should have made less choices. Put together more bitrate ranges. If bitrate at all.

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #15 –
I voted for AAC - 256 kbps since I've been downloading a lot of M4A at that bitrate with good quality.  8)
Opus - 160 kbps since I use it for recode some MP3 tracks (and I have some Opus files between 128 and 256kbps).  :)
Ogg Vorbis around 80 kbps for some videos just to avoid HE-AAC.  :P
Musepack for some specific tracks when it's reasonable.  :D
I only selected xHE-AAC - 32 kbps and less since I use it for mess around with very low bitrates xD.
I don't like MP3 so much to use it frequently.
 ;)

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #16 –
Quote from: Squeller on
For my target devices, I create mostly AAC, results would be in the 100-220kbps range (technically depends on the music, eg transients etc...., and depends on my chosen conversion). I use q73 .. q109.
Thanks for your vote

Quote from: Squeller on
I think you should have made less choices. Put together more bitrate ranges. If bitrate at all.
You can suggest  your own approach. 
I agree with Guruboolez saying that Musepack low bitrate options were too granular. For the rest of formats it's tricky to group bitrates without having previous information.  Now we have a good amount of votes so it's possible to decide which options are less used, it wasn't the case before this poll was created.

Quote from: guruboolez on
I just wanted to point out that at least two of them might not be relevant:
• WavPack Lossy/Hybrid (.wv) - 100 kbps or less : With CD material, the lowest bitrate is approximately 200 kbps.
• LossyWAV - 100 kbps or less
• LossyWAV - 200 kbps => The lowest bitrate is around 230 or 250 kbps, and I believe this setting is still experimental.
Agree.
And as for now it's impossible to change it without deleting poll and opening new one.  Since we have a good amount of results, it's preferable to keep current poll. Excessive granularity is a less problem in my opinion, lack of granularity  for the rest of formats will be a bigger issue.   :)

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #18 –
I use musepack q7 for lossless and apple abr 128 for portable use

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #19 –
Is the question "Do you Use" as in playing those files or Do you Encode?

First not being a choice if you purchase or stream online. Second being an actual usage for encoding.

My view is that there is no reason to "use" MP3 any more. AAC-LC should be the default minimum. Anything below 128Kbps goes to xHE-AAC or Opus. And Musepack for 320Kbps and above although one could question why not just go directly to lossless.

I only wish there is an codec that could do AAC-LC 256Kbps quality with 128Kbps.

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #20 –
In my opinion, very low quality sounds are unnecessary nowadays. Therefore, in lossy situations, 320 kbps and above is much more logical. So the real comparison should be here.

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #21 –
Quote from: iwod on
Is the question "Do you Use" as in playing those files or Do you Encode?

First not being a choice if you purchase or stream online. Second being an actual usage for encoding.

My view is that there is no reason to "use" MP3 any more. AAC-LC should be the default minimum. Anything below 128Kbps goes to xHE-AAC or Opus. And Musepack for 320Kbps and above although one could question why not just go directly to lossless.

I only wish there is an codec that could do AAC-LC 256Kbps quality with 128Kbps.

@iwod Many hardware players support only MP3 or MP3 and WMA as lossy codecs.

Quote from: genuine on
In my opinion, very low quality sounds are unnecessary nowadays. Therefore, in lossy situations, 320 kbps and above is much more logical. So the real comparison should be here.

128kbps, or maybe even 112kbps MP3 is totally transparent for me (and all of the other people I've asked) at 44100Hz stereo, why would I use more than that (unless the rest of the storage is going to be wasted otherwise)?

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #22 –
128 kbps may be enough for you. But it is definitely not enough for my usage conditions and sound systems. That's why we prefer Lossless in most cases.

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #23 –
Quote from: genuine on
128 kbps may be enough for you. But it is definitely not enough for my usage conditions and sound systems. That's why we prefer Lossless in most cases.

128kbps may be not enough for you, but MP3 should be enough for everyone at higher bitrates, so there's absolutely no need to use lossless.

Re: 2024 Bitrate/Format Poll (Lossy)

Reply #24 –
Quote from: Klymins on
Quote from: genuine on
128 kbps may be enough for you. But it is definitely not enough for my usage conditions and sound systems. That's why we prefer Lossless in most cases.

128kbps may be not enough for you, but MP3 should be enough for everyone at higher bitrates, so there's absolutely no need to use lossless.

Is the same thing as Bluetooth audio, you don't need lossless. But you're not going to delete your lossless (or at least high quality lossy files) just because lower bitrate is enough. Maybe for portable listening, but for transcoding or a good audio experience you need high quality (high bitrate). And lossless if possible.
Then, MP3 at 256 kbps or so sounds fine, but there are better options available.