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Screen of the new MusePack WinAmp tagger!!

A preview screen of the new MusePack WinAmp Tagger + File Info Preview.

Looks great!! Nice and NEAT!!

http://www.uni-jena.de/~pfk/mpp/img/tagger.png <--Direct to the pic

Cheers
AgentMil
-=MusePack... Living Audio Compression=-

Honda - The Power of Dreams

Screen of the new MusePack WinAmp tagger!!

Reply #1 –
imho it's too big
quite some of the vertical space between fields could be eliminated (especially upper part), and maybe some better horizontal alignment... allright I admit; I'm a nitpicking piece of graphic designer 

no really, I quite like it:)


-ephemeros

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Reply #2 –
Yeah thats was my first impression as well, coming from a web usability designer .

But the interface looks clean and uncluttered and beside it is their first shot. So its up to us the users to provide feedback, and allow them to improve the interface.

Also where would the picture be saved? In the MPC file itself (preferable) or in an external file?

Cheers
AgentMil
-=MusePack... Living Audio Compression=-

Honda - The Power of Dreams

Screen of the new MusePack WinAmp tagger!!

Reply #3 –
Wow! There is alot of information on that thing...

I wonder if you can opt for the streamlined version of the tag editor (like the one in winampplugin .90k) for those of us who will continue to use ID3v1.1 tags...

Screen of the new MusePack WinAmp tagger!!

Reply #4 –
Quote
Originally posted by AgentMil
Yeah thats was my first impression as well, coming from a web usability designer .

But the interface looks clean and uncluttered and beside it is their first shot. So its up to us the users to provide feedback, and allow them to improve the interface.

Also where would the picture be saved? In the MPC file itself (preferable) or in an external file?

Cheers
AgentMil


You need the EAN/UPC number (12/13 digits barcode).
The images are loaded from the net and stored in a separate directory.
You can also copy the images directly to HD into the cache directory.

Images can be taken from amazon, musicline etc.
There's a button to download the image on request.

Maybe the code for this feature must be changed from time to time, but EAN/UPC is an international standard, and you can also use it if you want to buy the CD/DVD/Video/tomato juice/butter ...

Currently I have 1,4 GByte of CD cover images
automatically loaded from net + 400 Mbyte
compressed title/artits info + recensions.

Code can be stored insi
--  Frank Klemm

Screen of the new MusePack WinAmp tagger!!

Reply #5 –
This new MPC tag standard; is the tag going to be in the end of the file, like with ID3v1.1?

Screen of the new MusePack WinAmp tagger!!

Reply #6 –
While we are nitpicking  , isn't it time to change the logo to the new one? Since the new name has been out for a few months now I'm sort of surprised it still hasn't been done in the Winamp-plugin.

Anyway - what's important is that this solution really impresses me; you keep pushing this format beyond amazing.

Great work Frank, Andree and the rest involved!

Screen of the new MusePack WinAmp tagger!!

Reply #7 –
completely unrelated:

i wish i was from sweden... then i would be most assured that my parents wouldn't name me "michael"...the most widely used name of the english language...man is that annoying

related:

yes.  i would have to second everything Uosdwis  said...the format is simply amazing and i shall likely not use any other format [unless ogg somehow beats MPC into the ground in both encoding time and quality at lower datarates...which won't happen...well...maybe]

the reason for this post is a puzzling question that i have had...why do people need the use of tags at all?  i use the following naming format:

"CD ARTIST" - "CD TITLE" - "TRACK #" - "TRACK NAME".mpc

what more do you need?  i don't get it...

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Reply #8 –
Quote
Originally posted by xmixahlx
the reason for this post is a puzzling question that i have had...why do people need the use of tags at all?  i use the following naming format:

"CD ARTIST" - "CD TITLE" - "TRACK #" - "TRACK NAME".mpc

what more do you need?  i don't get it...


Here's some reasons where tags is useful:

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    Reply #9 –
    Quote
    the reason for this post is a puzzling question that i have had...why do people need the use of tags at all?
    Probably for the same reason CD's aren't sold in  bare plastic sleeves.

    But more seriously, the real function of a tag (maybe not now, but probably in the future), is to provide a unique data key which can be used in database lookups and music selection with file sharing in mind.

    Frank has chosen the ISRC & EAN/UPC numbers for this purpose. My concern is that these keys were  originated by commercial entities and the keys will primarily only be able to be used in commercial databases.

    It would be good if there were a field for the CD key as well which can be added automatically during ripping process if linked to CDDB/freedb (much easier than adding ISRC# manually), and can be used for lookup and retrieval from non commercial music databases such as http://www.musicbrainz.org/.

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    Reply #10 –
    Quote
    Originally posted by huanjo

    provide a unique data key which can be used in database lookups and music selection with file sharing in mind. 

    Frank has chosen the ISRC & EAN/UPC numbers for this purpose. My concern is that these keys were  originated by commercial entities and the keys will primarily only be able to be used in commercial databases. 

    It would be good if there were a field for the CD key as well which can be added automatically during ripping process if linked to CDDB/freedb (much easier than adding ISRC# manually), and can be used for lookup and retrieval from non commercial music databases such as http://www.musicbrainz.org/.


    I need a primary database key, not one of the secondary or tertiary. The key should be unique,
    should be found on the product and should
    never die. ASIN, FreeDB and a lot of other don't have more than one of this properties.
    And I don't want invent another one.

    Secondary keys can be generated from this primary one. For ASIN this is something around 300 KByte.

    I took my book about data base design and tried to find an usable solution. Better proposals are welcomed.
    --  Frank Klemm

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    Reply #11 –
    well, i haven't ran into the problem of burning my mpc's do disk, and probably because i use nero, which allows a large naming system...so yeah...maybe if i was running windows 3.1 that would be a problem, but it hasn't bit me on the ass yet...

    lol @ huanjo...

    cd's in bare plastic sleeves?  that seems like too much!  what do you need a sleeve for, huh?  what, do you collect thin layers of plastic or something?

    lets assume that you have more than 20 cd's lying around...anyone with some sense will buy a CD organizer / notebook / binder, whatever you wanna call it.  then the jewel cases get thrown into a box to never emerge again.  I have about 600 cds, and i can honestly tell you that you will find MAYBE 2 dozen cd cases within reach...

    caution...

    [ranting]
    and honestly...would you not buy a CD for $5 - a blank CD with perhaps simply the tracks on the face?  you realize that a large portion of the price of a CD goes into the color / artwork / casing...somebody has to do it and they get paid for it....it doesn't cost hardly anything at all to print blank CD's...and i am sure that the artist would receive a larger amount of those funds considering it would probably cost about $.35...

    i got a question for you...how many blank liner notes and jewel cases have you bought for your CDR's...cause if you wouldn't buy a CD without a jewel case and liner notes, it would make sense to me if you would refuse to buy CDR's in bulk without the *necessities.*
    [/ranting]

    :flipoff: :argue: :insane: :rofl: :flamewar: :spank: he he he

    ok...back to reality...

    on the technical side, i can see why an individual identity for each file would be advantageous...and i can also see myself searching for a specific album in Media Jukebox...but at the moment i don't...i just load up D:audiompc directory in winamp and play the damn things...i guess i am old fashioned. 

    bloody hell.  i can't be that old...

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    Reply #12 –
    Quote
    Originally posted by xmixahlx
    lets assume that you have more than 20 cd's lying around...anyone with some sense will buy a CD organizer / notebook / binder, whatever you wanna call it.  then the jewel cases get thrown into a box to never emerge again.  I have about 600 cds, and i can honestly tell you that you will find MAYBE 2 dozen cd cases within reach...


    Exactly, so you probably have some sort of cataloging system or arrangement so you can find the disk you want without taking a half hour to do it.  This is the idea with the tagging.  I take it another step further and arange all my album directories by genre as well.  Eventually with something like Winamp 3, the media library will allow me to sort by year, album, genre, artist, etc.

    Quote
    Originally posted by xmixahlx
    on the technical side, i can see why an individual identity for each file would be advantageous...and i can also see myself searching for a specific album in Media Jukebox...but at the moment i don't...i just load up D:audiompc directory in winamp and play the damn things...i guess i am old fashioned. 


    I store all my CD's online at xtreme or better and play them over fiber through my home stereo.  When you have over 900 full CD's instantaneously available, that extra info helps out.

    G

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    Reply #13 –
    Quote
    Originally posted by macdaddy
    Wow! There is alot of information on that thing...

    I wonder if you can opt for the streamlined version of the tag editor (like the one in winampplugin .90k) for those of us who will continue to use ID3v1.1 tags...


    I strongly agree on this count.  I would love to see either a switch that toggles the tag editor (globally applied) or the data rearranged so the current data is all grouped at the top.  The extra info is cool, and where I have it I might bother to type it in, but for the most part I don't care about anything other than artist, track name, album name, track number, and release year.

    G

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    Reply #14 –
    The window is huge.
    I'm sure it'll be trimmed in size, since all you have to do is to move text boxes closer together
    \"The true method of knowledge is experiment.\" - William Blake

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    Reply #15 –
    if people want a tagging system they will create one and it will become better and better with time...which i assume is what is happening with the new mpc tagging system created by frank and andree [and others?]...

    i just don't care about it [that's not entirely true, read bottom], cause i don't use it...and probably won't...

    unless you desire the capability to quickly organize all your files by date / album / release year / or genre then tagging is unnecessary...cause the amount of time it takes to find it through tagging will most likely be the same amount of time it takes to scroll down to:

    "The Strokes - Is this It - 05 - Someday.mpc"

    without a tag.

    personally, i hate it when winamp converts the file names i load into it into the tags and so i disabled that option...cause i got downloaded mp3's lying around too...

    the organization system i would use if i used tagging would be by artist...and what-do-ya-know...that is what the file names are in already...soooo...

    however, i VERY MUCH appreciate the information that the mpc plugin provides, such as "streamversion" etc...and if the tagging system provides the technical aspects i spoke of earlier, then i hope the best for it...

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    Reply #16 –
    Quote
    Originally posted by Frank Klemm

    I need a primary database key, not one of the secondary or tertiary. The key should be unique,
    Could the CD index field not be used as a foreign key? This would give the flexibility of linking up to current/future popular databases such as CDDB, freedb, Musicbrainz as well.
    As the CD index data is obtained during the ripping process it could possibly be used to retrieve the primary key automatically from a database, rather than typing it in every time.

    Quote
    Originally posted by xmixahlx

    and honestly...would you not buy a CD for  - a blank CD with perhaps simply the tracks on the face? you realize that a large portion of the price of a CD goes into the color / artwork / casing...somebody has to do it and they get paid for it....it doesn't cost hardly anything at all to print blank CD's
    The beauty of it is that tagging doesn't cost a cent. You can add artwork, lyrics, credits etc. to your files for free!

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    Reply #17 –
    gdougherty...how exactly do you come about this multimedia setup...it sounds very impressive...

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    Reply #18 –
    Quote
    Originally posted by xmixahlx
    completely unrelated:

    i wish i was from sweden... then i would be most assured that my parents wouldn't name me "michael"...the most widely used name of the english language...man is that annoying

    xmixahlx,

    If you are referring to my username, I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but it is a username only - my real name is something far more conventional, I'm afraid. I guess parents are parents, no matter where on the globe you are.

    Quote
    The Simpsons, episode 3F06 "Mother Simpson"
    Wiggum: Put out an APB on a Uosdwis R. Dewoh.  Uh, better start with Greektown.

    Friday: That's "Homer J. Simpson", Chief.  You're reading it upside down.

    Wiggum: Uh, cancel that APB.  But, uh, bring back some of them, uh, giros.

    Friday: Uh, Chief?  You're talking into your wallet.

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    Reply #19 –
    Quote
    Originally posted by huanjo
    Could the CD index field not be used as a foreign key? This would give the flexibility of linking up to current/future popular databases such as CDDB, freedb, Musicbrainz as well. 
    As the CD index data is obtained during the ripping process it could possibly be used to retrieve the primary key automatically from a database, rather than typing it in every time.

    The beauty of it is that tagging doesn't cost a cent. You can add artwork, lyrics, credits etc. to your files for free!


    The basic problem of the so called CDdb-IDs are the very huge
    number of Hash-Collisions.

    1. 32 bit is too less, for 300000 CDs at least 1000*300000²
    = 10^14 = 47 bit keys must be used if the hash function is
    WELL-DESIGNED.

    2. The hash function is far from being well designed. Some
    regions (60%) can't be settled, other are sparse settled, some
    are extremly overcrowed.

    CDdb yes, if they move to 64 or better 128 bit hashs.
    --  Frank Klemm

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    Reply #20 –
    Frank,

    when can we expect an initial release of this tagging system, with or without the fancy database stuff?

    Cheers,
    Uosdwis

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    Reply #21 –
    Quote
    Originally posted by Uosdwis R. Dewoh
    Frank,

    when can we expect an initial release of this tagging system, with or without the fancy database stuff?

    Cheers,
    Uosdwis


    - My monitor at home is defect (actually it was defect for 3 months, but the 3-year guaranty was over in the last days so I must send the monitor to the manufactur.

    - It uses APE-Tags Version 2. I must exactly define this format (upward compatible with 1.000) and Matt should say yes to this definition. Extentions are the additional header and the name of the extra entries.

    - I can't program the Windows API stuff, but only the background.
    AFAIK most stuff has been done by Andree, but some is remaining.
    --  Frank Klemm

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    Reply #22 –
    Introduction:
    Hi, I have been using mpc for over a year now and I'm a great fan of the format.

    Anyway to the matter at hand... I like the way liquid audio displays tags. They (can) contain alot of information and don't take up too much screen space.
    Just my 2 cents.
    Anish
     

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    Reply #23 –
    Quote
    Originally posted by xmixahlx
    well, i haven't ran into the problem of burning my mpc's do disk, and probably because i use nero, which allows a large naming system...so yeah...maybe if i was running windows 3.1 that would be a problem, but it hasn't bit me on the ass yet...


    If you were running Windows 3.1? What does that have to do with anything? You said yourself that it's Nero that's allowing you to use a large naming system. You could be running Windows XP and if you tried to burn with some other software (ie. EzCD ... bloated POS I know) it's going to balk at those file names. How you name your files is your own concern but I can assure you that if you're sharing them there are at least a few individuals on the receiving end of these files who are letting out an exasperated sigh as they fire up whatever renaming program they use.
    To me, clowns aren\'t funny. In fact, they\'re kinda scary. I\'ve wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus and a clown killed my dad. -- Jack Handy