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Burning EAC/AR-perfect copies of CD's?

I have a handful of rare discs for which I'd like to make perfect backup copies - physical discs that check out via EAC/AR/CTDB exactly as the originals do, at least within the limits of the read/write offsets on the final track. I have FLAC files (AR/CTDB-verified) along with the non-compliant CUE files created by EAC. I've done this successfully before, but it was at least 5+ years ago and all the references I can search up are at least that old too. I don't remember what software I used to do this before and it was on a different PC build than I have now, but I've tried using EAC's burning function, ImgBurn, Burrrrn, and CDBurnerXP and all have coughed up various errors or else not passed an EAC/AR test. I'm happy to copy/paste those errors here, but I want to make sure I'm using the right tool for 2016 (almost 2017) in the first place. I realize there's not much call for physical discs anymore, but I'd still like to be able to recreate discs from my library if absolutely necessary. And for this handful of discs I'd like physical backups in hand. Has anyone actually done this recently with a Windows 10 machine and modern optical drives?

Thanks for any advice you can provide.

Re: Burning EAC/AR-perfect copies of CD's?

Reply #1 –
I'm getting a little closer, but I've got some kind of cue or gap problem I can't sort out. I'm starting from a set of individual flac tracks (all of which verify against AR and CTDB) and the default, noncompliant cue sheet created by EAC. I use secure gap detection method A. I've tried joining the flacs back into a single wav with CueTools and I've tried using Media Monkey to convert the flacs back to individual wavs. I've burned the resulting wav/wavs using both EAC and ImgBurn. (I know ImgBurn doesn't do write offset correction, but the write offset on my drive is 0, so I think it shouldn't matter?) But however I navigate the process, when I rerip the resulting disc the first track checks out against AR and none of the others do. So it seems like something is going wrong in recreating the CD layout. Any ideas?

Re: Burning EAC/AR-perfect copies of CD's?

Reply #2 –
Have you tried cdrtfe?

Might be worth a pop as it's actively developed and fairly comprehensive.

Re: Burning EAC/AR-perfect copies of CD's?

Reply #3 –
I'll give that a try, but I doubt it will help - given the consistent behavior of the burns between ImgBurn and EAC, I don't think the burning program is the problem here. But it will have to wait a couple days anyway - I just ordered some CDRW's from Amazon to do more testing. I think I recently threw out the small stack I used to own because I hadn't used them in years, and I ended up wasting a dozen decent TY CDR blanks instead. I wasn't expecting this to be such a challenge since I had it working some years back.

So yeah... I'll try it when the CDRW's come in, but I don't see why cdrtfe would do anything that ImgBurn couldn't.

Re: Burning EAC/AR-perfect copies of CD's?

Reply #4 –
EAC has a tool to compare wav's. Use this to identify where the differences might lie between the source and target.

This isn't something I've tried to do for several years now but providing log files might also help others to help you.
daefeatures.co.uk

Re: Burning EAC/AR-perfect copies of CD's?

Reply #5 –
OK... playing around some more now that I have CD-RW's again. EAC just has a ton of problems writing with either of my optical drives. Using almost any EAC function related to writing either errors out or hangs the program. I've tried both my drives with and without cdrdao and also tried an earlier version of cdrdao mentioned at a post on Digital Inn. Sometimes I've manage to create what appears to be a complete audio cd but it doesn't actually play anything at all. I'm pretty sure I used this burner with EAC years ago, but that was probably on Windows 7 instead of 10, so maybe that's the culprit. If anyone has gotten EAC working correctly under 64-bit Windows 10 and has any wisdom to share, I'd love to hear it.

In the meantime, I decided to try to work with ImgBurn and use CueTools to manually adjust offsets before burning. I got things sort of working, but something strange is happening at the end. Here's what I did and where I ended up.

1) Rip a clean, common CD (Coltrane's Blue Train) with AccurateRip enabled (and thus a read offset of 6 applied automatically for my Asus DVD writer). I ripped the disc twice, once as an image and once as wav tracks. Both rips passed AR and CTDB. Logs are attached.

2) Burn the full image wav using ImgBurn. Burned at 10x and verified. No errors or anything unusual.

3) Rip the first track of the burned disc with AccurateRip disabled but a read offset of 6 applied manually.

4) Use EAC's wav tool to compare the original track 1 with the rip from the burned track 1. It reports 6 missing samples, so my write offset should be either 6 or -6. I can never follow how positives and negatives work in discussions about offsets, so I figure I'll just try it both ways.

5) Use CueTools to encode the original image wav into a new image wave with an offset of 6. Burn that image wav using ImgBurn.

6) Use EAC with AccurateRip disabled and a manual read offset of 6 to rip the first track as a wav. Compare it to the original wav and see that it's now 12 samples apart. Oops... wrong direction.

7) Repeat Step 5 with an offset of -6 instead.

8) Rip track 1 from the new (-6) burn. Compare the original track 1 wav with the track 1 ripped from the -6 burn. No differences. Looks like we've got it!

9) Turn AccurateRip back on and rerip the whole album as wav tracks. Here's where things get weird - I'm wondering if I've got hardware or media problems. At this point I have a high expectation of everything working correctly. But the first attempt at ripping (Secure, single pass, no test) gets the first track to match but none of the others. I had something like this happen in my earlier experiments, but don't remember which combination of tools produced it. But before producing a log to post here, I figured reripping using test-and-copy might eliminate hardware or media issues. Surprisingly, the test-and-copy version passed AR and CTDB. Logs of both are attached (tagged "run 1").* Huh?

10) Some follow up tests... I repeated the same two rips, one with and one without a test run. The second rip without a test run fails in exactly the same way as the first - the exact same wrong EAC CRC's. The second rip with a test run succeeds in a similar way to the first - the first track matches, the rest of the tracks get a copy that passes AR and has the correct EAC CRC, but a test with a different EAC CRC. Those test CRC's differ between the two runs. Logs attached, tagged "run 2". On a different machine (my laptop), the burned disc passes a no-test run without issue. On a different drive (my BD writer) on my regular machine, the burned disc passes a no-test run without issue.

Any idea what's going on here? I hesitate to blame my regular ripping drive, an Asus DRW-24B1ST. This model has been a workhorse for me. My first one ripped hundreds of discs over the years, so I bought a couple extras while they were still available and put one of the new ones into my current PC when I built it last summer. The current drive can't have ripped more than 50 discs, and it's never had any problems so far. Could my CDR media be going bad? While I did initial testing with CDRW's, I did the final burn on a good Taiyo Yuden silver blank. They're old blanks, though - probably 10+ years and they've been stored for the last couple years in a basement that's subject to some temperature swings. But then they don't seem to have any problems ripping on my laptop or BD drive. Maybe these TY blanks just don't get on well with my current hardware and software configuration? Could writing with ImgBurn (instead of EAC) produce these kinds of highly specific errors? It seems unlikely to me, but I don't claim to understand all the intricacies of CD's.

So while I've sort of accomplished my goal, I'm not quite confident in the stability of the backup discs I'm producing. Any advice is appreciated. I don't mind replacing media or a drive, but I don't want to just throw money at a problem without any idea of whether that's likely to be a solution.

* Sharp eyes will notice the timestamp of the no-test run #1 is after the with-test run #1 - I didn't keep the original log and instead did another no-test run #1 later. As we'll see, the behavior is repeatable.

The attachment uploader doesn't seem to be working correctly for me, so I'll post the logs under code tags in replies.

Re: Burning EAC/AR-perfect copies of CD's?

Reply #6 –
Original Image Log:
Code: [Select]
Exact Audio Copy V1.1 from 23. June 2015

EAC extraction logfile from 31. December 2016, 17:41

Coltrane, John / Blue Train

Used drive  : ASUS    DRW-24B1ST   j   Adapter: 1  ID: 1

Read mode               : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache      : No
Make use of C2 pointers : Yes

Read offset correction                      : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations       : Yes
Used interface                              : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
Sample format      : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  0:00.00 | 10:43.62 |         0    |    48286   
        2  | 10:43.62 |  9:10.73 |     48287    |    89609   
        3  | 19:54.60 |  7:14.32 |     89610    |   122191   
        4  | 27:09.17 |  7:58.10 |    122192    |   158051   
        5  | 35:07.27 |  7:05.73 |    158052    |   189999   


Range status and errors

Selected range

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Original Image\Coltrane, John - Blue Train.wav

     Peak level 98.5 %
     Extraction speed 26.9 X
     Range quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 363CA037
     Copy OK

No errors occurred

 
AccurateRip summary
 
Track  1  accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [A13782DA]  (AR v2)
Track  2  accurately ripped (confidence 42)  [8BB4E050]  (AR v2)
Track  3  accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [5AECB478]  (AR v2)
Track  4  accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [9D9D4851]  (AR v2)
Track  5  accurately ripped (confidence 41)  [D7359DC3]  (AR v2)
 
All tracks accurately ripped

End of status report

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Submit result: Ao6EZYtxUOcIC3WbM.I4Pkhl4wQ- has been confirmed
Track | CTDB Status
  1   | (78/79) Accurately ripped
  2   | (79/79) Accurately ripped
  3   | (79/79) Accurately ripped
  4   | (79/79) Accurately ripped
  5   | (77/79) Accurately ripped


==== Log checksum ADEF9E68B58B9DEFC0DA1CAE7F94FEE05183E2A02168412F11186BE822D8E887 ====

Original Tracks Log:
Code: [Select]
Exact Audio Copy V1.1 from 23. June 2015

EAC extraction logfile from 31. December 2016, 17:43

Coltrane, John / Blue Train

Used drive  : ASUS    DRW-24B1ST   j   Adapter: 1  ID: 1

Read mode               : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache      : No
Make use of C2 pointers : Yes

Read offset correction                      : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations       : Yes
Used interface                              : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling                                : Appended to previous track

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
Sample format      : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  0:00.00 | 10:43.62 |         0    |    48286   
        2  | 10:43.62 |  9:10.73 |     48287    |    89609   
        3  | 19:54.60 |  7:14.32 |     89610    |   122191   
        4  | 27:09.17 |  7:58.10 |    122192    |   158051   
        5  | 35:07.27 |  7:05.73 |    158052    |   189999   


Track  1

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Original Wavs\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\01 - Blue Train.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.00

     Peak level 86.9 %
     Extraction speed 20.1 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 4E9300F8
     Accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [A13782DA]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  2

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Original Wavs\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\02 - Moments Notice.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.65

     Peak level 98.5 %
     Extraction speed 25.8 X
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Copy CRC 9AF8A559
     Accurately ripped (confidence 42)  [8BB4E050]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  3

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Original Wavs\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\03 - Locomotion.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.30

     Peak level 90.7 %
     Extraction speed 27.2 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC C8E98EC4
     Accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [5AECB478]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  4

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Original Wavs\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\04 - Im Old Fashioned.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.40

     Peak level 85.1 %
     Extraction speed 32.4 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 7742CA47
     Accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [9D9D4851]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  5

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Original Wavs\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\05 - Lazy Bird.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.52

     Peak level 93.9 %
     Extraction speed 34.7 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 97A4A0A7
     Accurately ripped (confidence 41)  [D7359DC3]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK


All tracks accurately ripped

No errors occurred

End of status report

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Submit result: already submitted
Track | CTDB Status
  1   | (79/80) Accurately ripped
  2   | (80/80) Accurately ripped
  3   | (80/80) Accurately ripped
  4   | (80/80) Accurately ripped
  5   | (78/80) Accurately ripped


==== Log checksum 1601DC2EA702A3E7CEF5EB7DE28D61A630429B640F1FD3C6EF1BDC58B9C71292 ====

Final No Test Run 1
Code: [Select]
Exact Audio Copy V1.1 from 23. June 2015

EAC extraction logfile from 31. December 2016, 20:13

Coltrane, John / Blue Train

Used drive  : ASUS    DRW-24B1ST   j   Adapter: 1  ID: 1

Read mode               : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache      : No
Make use of C2 pointers : Yes

Read offset correction                      : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations       : Yes
Used interface                              : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling                                : Appended to previous track

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
Sample format      : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  0:00.00 | 10:43.62 |         0    |    48286   
        2  | 10:43.62 |  9:10.73 |     48287    |    89609   
        3  | 19:54.60 |  7:14.32 |     89610    |   122191   
        4  | 27:09.17 |  7:58.10 |    122192    |   158051   
        5  | 35:07.27 |  7:05.73 |    158052    |   189999   


Track  1

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs No Test\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\01 - Blue Train.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.00

     Peak level 86.9 %
     Extraction speed 22.3 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 4E9300F8
     Accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [A13782DA]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  2

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs No Test\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\02 - Moments Notice.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.65

     Suspicious position 0:09:10

     Peak level 98.5 %
     Extraction speed 27.3 X
     Track quality 99.8 %
     Copy CRC 6F8579FE
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 56)  [3403DF6F], AccurateRip returned [A1D8969B]  (AR v2)
     Copy finished

Track  3

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs No Test\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\03 - Locomotion.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.30

     Peak level 90.7 %
     Extraction speed 28.7 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 00B2C040
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 57)  [8CC6672A], AccurateRip returned [59FE9EA6]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  4

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs No Test\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\04 - Im Old Fashioned.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.40

     Peak level 85.1 %
     Extraction speed 34.0 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 4E1B970A
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 53)  [71E88946], AccurateRip returned [45EAF837]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  5

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs No Test\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\05 - Lazy Bird.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.52

     Peak level 93.9 %
     Extraction speed 33.9 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC CDAE94A8
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 59)  [FA59560B], AccurateRip returned [5ADB9E2F]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK


 1 track(s) accurately ripped
 4 track(s) could not be verified as accurate

Some tracks could not be verified as accurate

There were errors

End of status report

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Submit result: Ao6EZYtxUOcIC3WbM.I4Pkhl4wQ- has been submitted
Track | CTDB Status
  1   | (81/82) Accurately ripped
  2   | ( 0/82) No match
  3   | ( 0/82) No match
  4   | ( 0/82) No match
  5   | ( 2/82) Accurately ripped


==== Log checksum 0AABBA5675945D966DEA677C565A0959689A34FA5CC21F922E2B07100A3FA40E ====

Final With Test Run 1
Code: [Select]
Exact Audio Copy V1.1 from 23. June 2015

EAC extraction logfile from 31. December 2016, 19:48

Coltrane, John / Blue Train

Used drive  : ASUS    DRW-24B1ST   j   Adapter: 1  ID: 1

Read mode               : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache      : No
Make use of C2 pointers : Yes

Read offset correction                      : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations       : Yes
Used interface                              : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling                                : Appended to previous track

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
Sample format      : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  0:00.00 | 10:43.62 |         0    |    48286   
        2  | 10:43.62 |  9:10.73 |     48287    |    89609   
        3  | 19:54.60 |  7:14.32 |     89610    |   122191   
        4  | 27:09.17 |  7:58.10 |    122192    |   158051   
        5  | 35:07.27 |  7:05.73 |    158052    |   189999   


Track  1

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\01 - Blue Train.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.00

     Peak level 86.9 %
     Extraction speed 17.4 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 4E9300F8
     Copy CRC 4E9300F8
     Accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [A13782DA]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  2

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\02 - Moments Notice.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.65

     Peak level 98.5 %
     Extraction speed 17.7 X
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 4D5036AA
     Copy CRC 9AF8A559
     Accurately ripped (confidence 42)  [8BB4E050]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  3

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\03 - Locomotion.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.30

     Peak level 90.7 %
     Extraction speed 17.5 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 7AAEE858
     Copy CRC C8E98EC4
     Accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [5AECB478]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  4

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\04 - Im Old Fashioned.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.40

     Peak level 85.1 %
     Extraction speed 18.6 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 4E1B970A
     Copy CRC 7742CA47
     Accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [9D9D4851]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  5

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\05 - Lazy Bird.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.52

     Peak level 93.9 %
     Extraction speed 36.3 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC F0699C9D
     Copy CRC 97A4A0A7
     Accurately ripped (confidence 41)  [D7359DC3]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK


All tracks accurately ripped

No errors occurred

End of status report

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Submit result: already submitted
Track | CTDB Status
  1   | (81/82) Accurately ripped
  2   | (80/82) Accurately ripped
  3   | (80/82) Accurately ripped
  4   | (80/82) Accurately ripped
  5   | (78/82) Accurately ripped


==== Log checksum D87190549BD94D9AAAE46EB78CE999B1BABCEEEA306F7E5C77FE4DB5B01C6316 ====

Re: Burning EAC/AR-perfect copies of CD's?

Reply #7 –
Final No Test Run 2
Code: [Select]
Exact Audio Copy V1.1 from 23. June 2015

EAC extraction logfile from 31. December 2016, 20:52

Coltrane, John / Blue Train

Used drive  : ASUS    DRW-24B1ST   j   Adapter: 1  ID: 1

Read mode               : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache      : No
Make use of C2 pointers : Yes

Read offset correction                      : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations       : Yes
Used interface                              : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling                                : Appended to previous track

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
Sample format      : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  0:00.00 | 10:43.62 |         0    |    48286   
        2  | 10:43.62 |  9:10.73 |     48287    |    89609   
        3  | 19:54.60 |  7:14.32 |     89610    |   122191   
        4  | 27:09.17 |  7:58.10 |    122192    |   158051   
        5  | 35:07.27 |  7:05.73 |    158052    |   189999   


Track  1

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs No Test #2\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\01 - Blue Train.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.00

     Peak level 86.9 %
     Extraction speed 23.4 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 4E9300F8
     Accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [A13782DA]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  2

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs No Test #2\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\02 - Moments Notice.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.65

     Suspicious position 0:09:10

     Peak level 98.5 %
     Extraction speed 27.2 X
     Track quality 99.8 %
     Copy CRC 6F8579FE
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 56)  [3403DF6F], AccurateRip returned [A1D8969B]  (AR v2)
     Copy finished

Track  3

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs No Test #2\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\03 - Locomotion.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.30

     Peak level 90.7 %
     Extraction speed 28.5 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 00B2C040
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 57)  [8CC6672A], AccurateRip returned [59FE9EA6]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  4

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs No Test #2\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\04 - Im Old Fashioned.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.40

     Peak level 85.1 %
     Extraction speed 34.2 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 4E1B970A
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 53)  [71E88946], AccurateRip returned [45EAF837]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  5

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs No Test #2\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\05 - Lazy Bird.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.52

     Peak level 93.9 %
     Extraction speed 36.5 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC CDAE94A8
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 59)  [FA59560B], AccurateRip returned [5ADB9E2F]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK


 1 track(s) accurately ripped
 4 track(s) could not be verified as accurate

Some tracks could not be verified as accurate

There were errors

End of status report

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Track | CTDB Status
  1   | (83/84) Accurately ripped
  2   | ( 1/84) Accurately ripped
  3   | ( 1/84) Accurately ripped
  4   | ( 1/84) Accurately ripped
  5   | ( 3/84) Accurately ripped


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Final With Test Run 2
Code: [Select]
Exact Audio Copy V1.1 from 23. June 2015

EAC extraction logfile from 31. December 2016, 21:00

Coltrane, John / Blue Train

Used drive  : ASUS    DRW-24B1ST   j   Adapter: 1  ID: 1

Read mode               : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache      : No
Make use of C2 pointers : Yes

Read offset correction                      : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations       : Yes
Used interface                              : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling                                : Appended to previous track

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
Sample format      : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  0:00.00 | 10:43.62 |         0    |    48286   
        2  | 10:43.62 |  9:10.73 |     48287    |    89609   
        3  | 19:54.60 |  7:14.32 |     89610    |   122191   
        4  | 27:09.17 |  7:58.10 |    122192    |   158051   
        5  | 35:07.27 |  7:05.73 |    158052    |   189999   


Track  1

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs With Test #2\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\01 - Blue Train.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.00

     Peak level 86.9 %
     Extraction speed 17.0 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 4E9300F8
     Copy CRC 4E9300F8
     Accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [A13782DA]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  2

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs With Test #2\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\02 - Moments Notice.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.65

     Peak level 98.5 %
     Extraction speed 17.4 X
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 61A17E51
     Copy CRC 9AF8A559
     Accurately ripped (confidence 42)  [8BB4E050]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  3

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs With Test #2\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\03 - Locomotion.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.30

     Peak level 90.7 %
     Extraction speed 17.1 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC E129488D
     Copy CRC C8E98EC4
     Accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [5AECB478]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  4

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs With Test #2\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\04 - Im Old Fashioned.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.40

     Peak level 85.1 %
     Extraction speed 31.9 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC D6B48B7A
     Copy CRC 7742CA47
     Accurately ripped (confidence 43)  [9D9D4851]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK

Track  5

     Filename C:\Users\Todd\Desktop\Burning Test\Rip from CT -6 Wavs With Test #2\Coltrane, John\Blue Train\05 - Lazy Bird.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.52

     Peak level 93.9 %
     Extraction speed 17.6 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC DD32658C
     Copy CRC 97A4A0A7
     Accurately ripped (confidence 41)  [D7359DC3]  (AR v2)
     Copy OK


All tracks accurately ripped

No errors occurred

End of status report

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Submit result: already submitted
Track | CTDB Status
  1   | (83/84) Accurately ripped
  2   | (81/84) Accurately ripped
  3   | (81/84) Accurately ripped
  4   | (81/84) Accurately ripped
  5   | (79/84) Accurately ripped


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Re: Burning EAC/AR-perfect copies of CD's?

Reply #8 –
Tried again with a different disc and got the same results. I suppose another possibility is that my regular ripping drive (the Asus) just doesn't handle recordable media very well. I've ripped hundreds of discs on this model across two different drives, but all of those discs have been commercially produced. So maybe I just need to plan on using a different ripping drive in the event I need to rip a CDR.

Re: Burning EAC/AR-perfect copies of CD's?

Reply #9 –
You can use foobar to burn flacs, with the component foo_burninate.

You can try another path too:
Burn the separate tracks with nero but using a virtual drive, obtaining a .nrg image disc. Now you mount this image with daemon and rip this using cueripper. You will see if it gives accurate rip or not, or try to repair if possible, or fix the offset or whatever. When everything is ok, burn the image with nero to CD-R.

Re: Burning EAC/AR-perfect copies of CD's?

Reply #10 –
Quote from: tppytel on
So maybe I just need to plan on using a different ripping drive in the event I need to rip a CDR.

You can also try to disable "drive is capable of retrieving C2 error information" in the extraction method settings of EAC.
There could be a problem with the drve C2 error handling see http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=EAC_Lossless_Backup
Quote from: wiki.hydrogenaud.io see link above
C2 Error Info : It is safe to enable this setting if your drive provides C2 error information, but usually only when used in conjunction with AccurateRip or with the generation of a separate test CRC to compare with the read CRC. [This feature provides a speed increase by reading data from the disc only once, relying on your drive to report errors that could not be corrected. Some drives (typically old models by Plextor) can do this reliably; however, many drives will fail to report all uncorrectable errors. If you're not getting matching read and test CRCs or AccurateRip cannot verify all of the tracks on a disc, try ripping again with this setting disabled

Personally I mostly use burst mode in combination with AccurateRip for reading instead of the secure mode. I only use the secure mode when there is no AccurateRip result available.

Re: Burning EAC/AR-perfect copies of CD's?

Reply #11 –
Quote from: bbraber on
Personally I mostly use burst mode in combination with AccurateRip for reading instead of the secure mode. I only use the secure mode when there is no AccurateRip result available.
I do the same, though sometimes burst mode on this drive generates timing problems that secure mode doesn't, especially on the first track of an album.

Quote
You can also try to disable "drive is capable of retrieving C2 error information" in the extraction method settings of EAC.
There could be a problem with the drve C2 error handling see http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=EAC_Lossless_Backup
Quote from: wiki.hydrogenaud.io see link above
C2 Error Info : ... If you're not getting matching read and test CRCs or AccurateRip cannot verify all of the tracks on a disc, try ripping again with this setting disabled
Nice catch - turning off the C2 routines does the trick! The drive correctly rips in secure mode without a test, and generates matching CRC's when run with a test. Tested with both the TY CDR's and the new CDRW's and the impact of C2 is the same. It does seem to run a bit slower without C2, but that's fine. Fascinating that this behavior only seems to surface with this drive when ripping from recordable media... I've always ripped with C2 on, and never seen anything like this across hundreds of commercial discs.

With that resolved, I believe I'm all set. Thanks all!