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X-Fi HD - Recommendations?

Hi,

I was recently looking for a new sound card for music playback and a good line-in for recording some tapes (optionally vinyl too). Currently, I'm using the Realtek on-board sound of my low-budget mainboard, but background noise is noticable and the quality of recorded audio via line-in sounds poor.

For another machine, I'm using a Behringer UFO-202 USB stereo audio interface, however its quality is quite poor; The line-in has bad contacts, I was not much confident with the device. So I investigated for an alternative high quality stereo interface, and the only one I came accross is the Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi HD. It's an USB 2.0 sound card, and it seems to natively run with linux and has line-in (and also phono-in).

I've decided to start this thread in order to ask you whether you recommend this device. I've not had a sound blaster device for more than 10 years, and I remember that back in that time, audiophiles dismissed the creative devices (due to fixed sample rates I guess). It seems like I wouldn't need to install additional drivers or software, and that I can natively playback everything from 44.1khz to 96Khz, meaning that the device won't internally resample music?

Here's the link to the manufactor's page: http://us.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sou...usic-premium-hd

Thanks in advance for your comments
vib

X-Fi HD - Recommendations?

Reply #1
Well, there was a time that soundblasters were true to their name, but PC audio has come a long way in over a decade.

Changes in more recent years have, perhaps, been not so good. I;m not talking about quality, but availability. The analogue-stereo-out market is lost to the hifi stand-alone DAC makers and there are not so many contenders for simple 2-channel in/out, without unnecessary (to us) stuff like mic pre-amps and pro-audio connectors.

For some of us, what is left has to be divided by will it work with Linux? At least that stops me emptying my wallet on, for instance, "top-end" Lynx.

If I were buying now, I would look at ESI. If I was to buy an internal PCI
  • interface, it would probably be their Juli@. This is almost entirely based on subjective impressions (full disclosure: second-hand too!  ), and perceived value for money, except that I seem to remember that it scored amazingly well in loopback tests done by Gearslutz members, and was near the top of the list, head to head with the expensive stuff.

    I currently have an Echo Audiofire2, but they don't make them any longer. And, being a recovering audiophile, who also rarely records anything these days, I too mostly use a USB DAC.
The most important audio cables are the ones in the brain

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Reply #2
Thanks for mentioning ESI as a manufactor. I've been looking on their site and found the Phonorama, which has a phono/line-in and headphone connector.

I've come across the following post on head-fi.org:

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If I recall correctly, the X-Fi HD USB does not have hardware support for 44.1/88.2/176.4 kHz sample rates, so it requires software resampling for CD format audio - not necessarily a problem with a good converter like the SoX resampler plugin for foobar2000, but might be worth noting. It is also said to be using NJM4556 output buffers (like many other devices by Creative), which is perfectly fine for driving both headphone and line outputs. A potential problem is that it may possibly have fairly high output impedance (although the NJM4556 does not require that, the resistors may still be there anyway, e.g. for short circuit protection), and Creative also seems to like putting small (<= 220 uF) capacitors on the output. These could result in degraded bass performance.


This means that I need to configure my system to resample to 96khz for optimal sound quality - and probably I need to record audio via line-in in 96khz too? Do you think the "issue" about the headphones is noticable? Will the EI device perform better here?

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Reply #3
The most economical solution would be to buy a new Behringer...

Otherwise, for recording I'd recommend a USB Audio Interface.  They usually have TRS and/or XLR connectors, so you'll need some different cables.  These are generally sold where you buy musical instruments and audio equipment for recording & live performance.

If playback is noisy from your existing soundcard, you can also use the interface for playing audio.

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This means that I need to configure my system to resample to 96khz for optimal sound quality - and probably I need to record audio via line-in in 96khz too? Do you think the "issue" about the headphones is noticable? Will the EI device perform better here?'
I wouldn't worry about it...  The drivers are often resampling and you don't even know it.  I've NEVER heard any resampling artifacts from ANY resampler, although some measure  better than others.


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Reply #4
Hi,

I was recently looking for a new sound card for music playback and a good line-in for recording some tapes (optionally vinyl too). Currently, I'm using the Realtek on-board sound of my low-budget mainboard, but background noise is noticable and the quality of recorded audio via line-in sounds poor.

For another machine, I'm using a Behringer UFO-202 USB stereo audio interface, however its quality is quite poor; The line-in has bad contacts, I was not much confident with the device. So I investigated for an alternative high quality stereo interface, and the only one I came accross is the Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi HD. It's an USB 2.0 sound card, and it seems to natively run with linux and has line-in (and also phono-in).

I've decided to start this thread in order to ask you whether you recommend this device. I've not had a sound blaster device for more than 10 years, and I remember that back in that time, audiophiles dismissed the creative devices (due to fixed sample rates I guess). It seems like I wouldn't need to install additional drivers or software, and that I can natively playback everything from 44.1khz to 96Khz, meaning that the device won't internally resample music?

Here's the link to the manufactor's page: http://us.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sou...usic-premium-hd

Thanks in advance for your comments


Behringer does have a reputation for unreliable build quality. Your best bet may to simply buy another sample.

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Reply #5
... Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi HD.

I have one since three years with no issue so far ...  and I just plugged it today to a Raspberry Pi (No drivers required).

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Reply #6
Wow, are the Raspberry Pi's USB ports able to handle this device? I guess it's a newer model, with 4 USB ports?

I sent my X-Fi HD back, as I had a problem with my device. Under linux (Arch w. Kernel 4.2), the device occasionally stopped working. The device completely disappeared from the list of availible devices (I did not check dmesg, so no details here). I then needed to remove and plug-in the USB cable to make th X-Fi come back. Once broken, the device misbehaviour also survived reboots, and Windows didn't recognize the card neither. This could be either a driver problem, a problem with my device (I assume that's wrong, it never failed liek that in Windows) or it took too much power from my USB ports (also rather unlikely, it's a desktop machine).

I then got a Behringer 202, it lacks the phono pre-amp, but to be honest, I don't know whether I had used it anyway. My server machine is running a Behringer UFO 222 which has a phono preamp - so if I need to record music from vinyl, I could simply swap the devices. I don't hear any difference between the two devices. The only thing which cool thing about the X-Fi HD which is not available with the Behringer is the volume knob in the front of the device.

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Reply #7
Yes, it is a pi 2 model B with the latest raspbian version.
It is recognized by the alsa mixer (volume control within the GUI) without any driver installation and i use it with ffplay as part of a multi room setup.

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Reply #8
Yes, it is a pi 2 model B with the latest raspbian version.
It is recognized by the alsa mixer (volume control within the GUI) without any driver installation and i use it with ffplay as part of a multi room setup.


Hi there, as first excuse me for my poor english.
I have just build a convolver for my listening room correction, using a raspberry PI2 with brutefir.
Unfortunately I bought a usb sound card based on CM106 chip that has several problems with alsa.
So I'm thinking to buy this X-Fi HD that's seems to work fine with raspberry.
Can you also select with alsamixer the digital in (optical) successfully?
In other words (I'm not so expert with raspbian) is it possible to see all the channels as sub devices with aplay -L ?
Many thanks from Italy