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Scary Big Brother

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Scary Big Brother

Reply #1 –
Scary? Why?
superdumprob
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"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein

Scary Big Brother

Reply #2 –
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Scary? Why?

If this is real, every word you say is listened to, every word you typed is looked at, all them cameras popping up on the streets (not speed cameras or road tax cameras).  Have you seen "Enemy of the state",  They have probably got that kind of technology already.

GPS systems - although very useful, its being monitored and if you are registered, they know how they are monitoring, they know where you are!

Do you like the idea that someone is watching you right now, someone is monitoring this forum even (not including admin )

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Reply #3 –
  I guess I must be more interesting then I think 

If I remember correctly there was (or is) a program called eshelon (i probably spelt that wrong) which the US and most commonwealth countries were part of, and the purpose was that it was illegal (for most countries) to spy on their own citizens without good reason. However it is not illegal for the UK to monitor US transmission. - This is (was?) the program which would light up big brother (or sister in my case - yeh I know she's listening right now) computer when certain key words were spoken or typed , ie - Anthrax , Bush, CIA, D.C., echelon, etc
obviously the surveillance has to be good enough to pick up real conversations about doing bad stuff and not get bogged down by the mindless chatter of people like me     
But I guess that why we have our governments spending $$$ on defence.

if I don't post again - you'll know what happened

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Reply #4 –
I've read 1984 and watched the film version, which (as the trend goes) is nowhere near as good as the book. But I guess that's because your imagination makes the people look how you want them to and whatnot.

Anyway, enough of that. Yes it would be very very scary and wrong if that was how society worked and how we lived. Not nice at all and just wrong.

The reason I asked why scary was because I thought you might be talking about the TV program thing (we have it in the UK and I know other countries have it too but much more happens on there's ) and something interesting might be happening, like a big bitch fight or something.
superdumprob
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"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein

Scary Big Brother

Reply #5 –
[cough]  Click on smilie in my first post  [/cough] 

[whispering]

@ TwoJ - The men in black are here, looks like I will be joining you

@ Superdumprob - Sorry not that Big Brother, the real Big Brother.  I also live in the UK, so I know which Big Brother you were thinking about.  Oops, I gave away my location 

[/whispering]

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Reply #6 –
Ohhh, plz, there aren't enough cameras or people watching the camera's output to surveil ev'ryone...


Interesting read though
"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you."

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Reply #7 –
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Ohhh, plz, there aren't enough cameras or people watching the camera's output to surveil ev'ryone...


Interesting read though

Not yet, but I think there will be in the future, security cameras in everyones home linked/intercepted by someone or some company.

You may think I have seen to many movies but, have you seen "Minority Report", how his eyes are scanned where ever he goes!!!

I think something like that will exist in the future, not to sure about the precrime though

Scary Big Brother

Reply #8 –
That report was from 2001. What do you they have now...  or is it  to them.

Let 'em monitor whatever they want. Maybe they know what color underwear I have on right now. And maybe yours as well.

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Reply #9 –
@Jen

Hey - didn't catch on to your first smiley - guess I'm not bright enough to be considered a threat to national security.

{We know exactly were you are}

hey - cut it out - damn eavesdroppers are always editing my posts!
Well I actually heard about echelon back in 97 or 98 - but I figured all they were going to pick up is some really stupid criminals if they think that people are going to directly talk about crimes over emails and telephone. With things such as PGP and other encryption methods it would be really stupid to be picked up by echelon.

What bothers me is since eveyone in governments is singing the mantra of terrorist security especially the US with all their new "homeland" security I can only imangine that personal rights and freedoms are going to be trodden on in the name of security. True there are not, and never will be, enough people to keep track of everyone but stupid laws, and fear have kept people in check before and can again in the future. In the past it was pretty evident who was doing the watching and the controlling but now it could be someone in another country that thinks you might be a security risk and blam - you are being monitored. There are almost endless movies and books about this subject and the new freedom fighters like the EFF, and some midnight hackers preserving the status quo over at the RIAA website. But the best defence against this is to know what Big Brother is cabable of hearing and seeing and to pass this information on to others.

You might find this site interesting.

ok - the MIB have kindly let me finish this post - must go now!

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Reply #10 –
Hmmm.... well for starters figure anything you buy with a credit card, debit card, or store "discount card" is tagged with your ID.

In the northeast US (outside Vermont, we don't do tolls) they coerce you into getting a toll transponder for
your car so you can cruise through the scanner lanes instead of waiting 15-30 minutes in the cash lanes
on bridges and toll roads.  You have no way of knowing where they might have set up extra scanners
on non-toll roads purely for tracking purposes.  When the system was introduced, the public was assured that it would require a warrant to use the records for anything other than billing purposes, but in the post-9/11 era. records of all sorts are more freely available to the "homeland defence" people.

Last year there was a local employment notice for a federal job that was apparently writing programs for  mining all this available data.

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Reply #11 –
Im so proud of my life, I want people to watch each and everything I do 

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Reply #12 –
My neighbour knows exactly when I quit home, and when I come back ! Maybe he even knows when I go to bed and when I awake !!!

Seriously, if someone wants to track my position, no need for GPS or car scanner, he just has to follow me.

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Reply #14 –
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GPS systems - although very useful, its being monitored and if you are registered, they know how they are monitoring, they know where you are!

Impossible, GPS receivers only receive data from the sattellites in a strict oneway fashion, they do not send anything.

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Reply #15 –
"East"-Germany, that socialistic-East-Zone, surpressed by the Soviets, had "Big brother" with technic state of the art at that time......

But mostly they used the niegjbours,,,

StaSi


well, that was a dictature, but meanwhle it seems, that  history reverts,
ie. now we get a dictature of the capitalistic Monopols and Oligopol companies....
 

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Reply #16 –
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Impossible, GPS receivers only receive data from the sattellites in a strict oneway fashion, they do not send anything.

In general.. but the newer cell phones are supposed to have GPS built in so 911 (emergency) dispatchers
can tell where you are when you call something in, just as they can when you call from a hard-wire phone.

Our phone has an option for enable/disable GPS reporting.